6L Molten Shell Autocast - Mechanics Discussion

I want a build which casts and explodes Molten Shell as much as possible. Also, i want a beefy molten shell, so need two 6L, which means needs a 2H weapon.

Current Gear:
- Wings of Entropy (for the free block and spell block)
- The Anvil (more block, and free hp/mana on block)
- Abyssus (so i take more damage. To trigger Cwdt, Cos and MS)
- Rainbowstrides (more spell block)

Now, for the Molten Shell Links:
- Molten Shell
- Iron Will (adding damage from STR)
- Life Leech (quality, so it takes precedence over normal attacks. Need to survive those hits! :-) )

Some basic characteristics:
- Cos: Cast on stun. The less hp and armour the better. need to get stunned.
- Cwdt: Cast when damage taken. Will also trigger MS if not much physical damage is around. Need to _take_ damage
- MS: Molten Shell: Explodes after a certain amount of physical damage is prevented (armour, block). Need to _prevent_ physical damage


Now, i have two other gem slots to trigger molten shell.
- Cos: Need to get stunned. 50% chance to trigger gems.
- Cwdt: Need level 20, which takes 3240 damage. 100% chance to activate gems.


Possible combinations:

a) One of each, for mixed damage:
- MS
- Cwdt
- Cos
-> on stun: 50% chance to cast MS. Or after 3240 damage is taken.

b) For each stun, chance to cast Cos, and another Cos to increase chance
- MS
- Cos1
- Cos2
-> on stun: 50% chance to cast from Cos1, 50% chance to cast from Cos2 (=75%?)

c) For each stun, chance to cast Cos, which can cast one of the two MS gems
- MS
- Cos
- MS
-> on stun: 50% chance to cast MS1, 50% chance to cast MS2 (=75%?)

d) mega version:
- MS
- Cos1
- Cos2
- MS
-> On each stun: 50% * 50% for Cos1 + 50% * 50% for Cos2 to trigger a MS (=?)


Some questions of mine:
1) Which one of a) b) c) is best?
2) It seems like MS overwrites Vaal MS. Can somebody confirm?
3) Does double MS stack? :-)
4) Who is selling a 6L wings of entropy? ;-)
5) Whats the chance to cast on d) ?
6) Any other ideas how to make it work?

Some answers:
I run around with c). Works more or less ok with 3k HP, but a lot of dying ;-)
I tried with 4k HP. Much more survivability, but less casts.

Edit:
Gearz:

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Build (with more HP):

Why would you use cast when damage taken or when stunned? Just cast Molten Shell.

And yes, if you cast Molten Shell while Vaal MS is up, it will overwrite it.

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Azixo wrote:

Why would you use cast when damage taken or when stunned? Just cast Molten Shell.

For additional DPS and LL.
Works pretty good in some cases (Dual Titty Bitch Bosses -> boom boom boom until they are dead)

Theorycrafting:

MS (selfcast)
CoD (Cast on Death) will trigger when MS detonate or is overwritten???
MS (cast by CoD)
Inc Area
Conc Eff
Life leech, fire pen, culling, ele prolif, whatever you want.

Not sure if this works because CoD is the key here but if it does.. so OP.

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Iluvthu wrote:

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Inc Area
Conc Eff
...

Really?

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siliconlife wrote:

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Azixo wrote:

Why would you use cast when damage taken or when stunned? Just cast Molten Shell.

For additional DPS and LL.
Works pretty good in some cases (Dual Titty Bitch Bosses -> boom boom boom until they are dead)

Why does it do additional DPS? Cwdt has a x% less dmg mod.

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Iluvthu wrote:

Theorycrafting:

MS (selfcast)
CoD (Cast on Death) will trigger when MS detonate or is overwritten???
MS (cast by CoD)
Inc Area
Conc Eff
Life leech, fire pen, culling, ele prolif, whatever you want.

Not sure if this works because CoD is the key here but if it does.. so OP.

Selfcast and manual trigger wont work with the same links.
Also, Cast on Death? How is that useful?

For additional DPS, I'd take fire pen / chance to ignite and inc area. But problem currently is to cast it reliably.

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Iluvthu wrote:

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siliconlife wrote:

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Azixo wrote:

Why would you use cast when damage taken or when stunned? Just cast Molten Shell.

For additional DPS and LL.
Works pretty good in some cases (Dual Titty Bitch Bosses -> boom boom boom until they are dead)

Why does it do additional DPS? Cwdt has a x% less dmg mod.

Additional to my main skill. Running around hitting things and use MS as additional damage source. For this, i dont want to cast it manually. With Codt, it could explode 4 times a second. maybe 2 times realisticly. for around 3k AOE damage.

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siliconlife wrote:

Selfcast and manual trigger wont work with the same links.
Also, Cast on Death? How is that useful?

For additional DPS, I'd take fire pen / chance to ignite and inc area. But problem currently is to cast it reliably.

The idea of CoD is to auto cast MS with 300% more dmg for the fire explosion. Not sure if this works for the MS detonate dmg.


Still don't understand why you would use CwdT while it unreliably cast MS. Why don't you just selfcast MS with all your mentioned support gems. Or is your intention to only let MS be auto trigger/cast.

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tinko92 wrote:

Really?

Why not? At max lvl inc area will offset the negative effect of conc eff while giving 69% more dmg.

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Iluvthu wrote:

Still don't understand why you would use CwdT while it unreliably cast MS. Why don't you just selfcast MS with all your mentioned support gems. Or is your intention to only let MS be auto trigger/cast.

To cast MS manually, i need to stop DPS'ing, which is bad (no DPS, no LL). Also, i need to do it all the time (using more than one button? Noes!)
With this "unreliably" autocast, I do more DPS than just my main skill. Think about running in a crowd of enemies, melee splash them and at the same time MS' them.

As i'm bored with PoE since a few months, i mess around with the idea of two damage sources at the same time for quite some time. Yeah, it's not the most efficient or best build, but i dont give a fuck :-) With vaal MS, i got my hopes up once again. But i may still wait a few months/patches until it is accidently viable ;)