Leech: GGG clarify please!

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abbarnes wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

There's no such thing and never has been. There is not a "cap" on leech rate, just a set rate.
All leech, always, happens at the leech rate (20% of max life per second unless you use the quality gem). That's not a cap that has to be reached, all leech is that fast, and cannot be slower*. The only thing that changes based on the size of the hit is the duration for which that leech lasts.

If the quality gem is not in play, all leech effects are at the same rate, and thus all have the same "strength". It's completely arbitrary which one is active at any given point, and there's no way it could possibly make any difference which one is active.

*outside of map mods that reduce recovery speed.

So if you have a Level 20, 20% quality LL gem on a skill and another 5% leech from gear/tree, does that mean only the 8.8% from the gem will apply since that is the strongest? Or was your hypothetical about using 2 different skills, one with a LL gem and one without?

The % of damage leeched as life from different sources (gem/gear/tree) add together and determines the total health you will leech for EACH hit.

Then that % of damage FROM EACH HIT is turned into a heal over time. The duration of the HoT is set such that you heal a certain % of your total health over time. The base for that is 20% of max life per second. @20q that becomes 30%.


The "strongest" that he referred to is talking about the individual HoTs that you get from multiple attacks. I.e. when you hit again before the HOT from your last leech runs out.

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The base for that is 20% of max life per second. @20q that becomes 30%.

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Adraeus wrote:

Ignoring critical strikes and many other variables...

If I have 2,000 life, the rate of my life leech is 400 life per second.

If I have 2,000 pdps and 10% life leech, the strength of my life leech is 200 life.

With an instant leech mod (i.e., Bloodseeker), I'd leech 200 life per attack.

Without an instant leech mod, I'd leech 200 life per 0.5 seconds (200 life at 400 life per second).

With the new Vaal Pact, I'd leech 160 life per attack.

Right?

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shroudb wrote:

200*0,4= 80 HP leeched/attack/mob hit with new vaal pact.

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shroudb wrote:

Apart from that yes.

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RagnarokX wrote:

So what does this mean for Cyclone ?!?!

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raics wrote:

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RagnarokX wrote:

So what does this mean for Cyclone ?!?!

For cyclone - nothing much, except you won't continue to regenerate 30 seconds after battle ends, it will stop almost immediately.

Builds that attack relatively slow and do a lot of small hits per each attack are probably the only ones significantly affected, builds like chain split arrow or LA, some casters...

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Sony_Black wrote:

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raics wrote:

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RagnarokX wrote:

So what does this mean for Cyclone ?!?!

For cyclone - nothing much, except you won't continue to regenerate 30 seconds after battle ends, it will stop almost immediately.

Builds that attack relatively slow and do a lot of small hits per each attack are probably the only ones significantly affected, builds like chain split arrow or LA, some casters...

IMHO the change was exactly because even builds with lots of small hits prefered LL over life gain on hit, which was slightly counter intuitive. So now I guess we will see much more use of the life gain on hit gem...