Kaom's heart has been overnerfed

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tinko92 wrote:

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gr00grams wrote:

For those saying 80 ES is small, it is not. It is a bloody massive amount.

WIth another 80 ES on my torso, I could probably get another 3-500 total ES. That's a lot, and only goes higher the more intellect you have, and higher base pool.

Shavs nerf was not small. Learn to math ;)

300-500 total ES is almost nothing, the item is still broken.
That nerf was small even for ST nerf.

While Kaom's lost 1500+ total life.

Say again?

Koams is a bigger nerf, yes, but that does not make Shavs a small one.


The thing with Shav, is you cannot nerf the item because it's main function is either yes, or no. Not an amount. It either stops chaos damage, or doesn't. It's not an adjustable value. IF removed, the item is effectively worthless. Koam was simply a value change.

EDIT* It is also significantly easier to stack life than ES, which is another reason Koam was so over powered.

You raise base HP by gear AND Strength/Strength nodes.

You can only raise base ES by gear. Int gives 2% for a 10 node, but 2% of nothing is nothing.

It is also much easier in many applications; leech, regen, etc. Where if you want any of that, you have to spend several passives to reach particular nodes which allow it.

Due to all the factors like these, a gain of 500 ES is actually a very big deal.

Shavs reduced to 225 ES max. there you go.

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Nephalim wrote:

Shavs reduced to 225 ES max. there you go.

0 ES.

People still use it, for ES builds.

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gr00grams wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Shavs reduced to 225 ES max. there you go.

0 ES.

People still use it, for ES builds.

for high level content ? I kinda doubt it ...

If kaoms gave 250hp, i would still use it over anything.

Why would you ever use a chest with only +250hp? Lightning coil already beats kaoms most of the time, let alone with that low of hp.

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gr00grams wrote:

Spoiler

Koams is a bigger nerf, yes, but that does not make Shavs a small one.


The thing with Shav, is you cannot nerf the item because it's main function is either yes, or no. Not an amount. It either stops chaos damage, or doesn't. It's not an adjustable value. IF removed, the item is effectively worthless. Koam was simply a value change.

EDIT* It is also significantly easier to stack life than ES, which is another reason Koam was so over powered.

You raise base HP by gear AND Strength/Strength nodes.

You can only raise base ES by gear. Int gives 2% for a 10 node, but 2% of nothing is nothing.

It is also much easier in many applications; leech, regen, etc. Where if you want any of that, you have to spend several passives to reach particular nodes which allow it.

Due to all the factors like these, a gain of 500 ES is actually a very big deal.

Again, no even 500 ES isn't a big deal.

Most of the time players won't even feel it, from 8k to 7.5K ES? Game fell apart? Spare us the drama, almost nothing happened.

How exactly is life easier to stack than ES?
From what I've seen, 1k Vaal Regalia's, 500+ shields, etc. hit 10k ES in no time.

"You raise base HP by gear AND Strength/Strength nodes.

You can only raise base ES by gear. Int gives 2% for a 10 node, but 2% of nothing is nothing."
- Hilarious... yes you do raise both life and ES by gear, attributes and nodes. In both cases you need base life/ES, the more the merrier.

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topcatti wrote:

If kaoms gave 250hp, i would still use it over anything.

Any sane reason behind this?

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tinko92 wrote:

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topcatti wrote:

If kaoms gave 250hp, i would still use it over anything.

Any sane reason behind this?

In before "one click spam," "no strategic depth," etc.

I mean, it's wrong, but it's coming.

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tinko92 wrote:

Again, no even 500 ES isn't a big deal.

Most of the time players won't even feel it, from 8k to 7.5K ES? Game fell apart? Spare us the drama, almost nothing happened.

How exactly is life easier to stack than ES?
From what I've seen, 1k Vaal Regalia's, 500+ shields, etc. hit 10k ES in no time.

"You raise base HP by gear AND Strength/Strength nodes.

You can only raise base ES by gear. Int gives 2% for a 10 node, but 2% of nothing is nothing."
- Hilarious... yes you do raise both life and ES by gear, attributes and nodes. In both cases you need base life/ES, the more the merrier.

You do not understand. I cannot make you.

A % increase on a value of 0 is 0.
You cannot raise base without gear or discipline.

I cannot explain that any simpler.

Go take every int node, and wear no ES on gear. Tell me how much ES total you have. It is incredibly easier to stack life than ES. Raising life can be absolute with nothing else asides the skill tree. This was no doubt done to facilitate melee/CC builds, and keep casters in the 'squishy' status.

What is 50% of zero? 0*.5 = ???

This is not a debatable topic, or one for opinion. It is what it is. I am not going to go beyond this post. This is not a debatable topic. Math is right or wrong, not 'Well I think it's this...'.