Caster early levelling woes

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tackle70 wrote:

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Worldbreaker wrote:

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tackle70 wrote:

casters are junk so don't worry about it... they're just as bad at high levels as at low levels, excluding maybe some discharge builds

I got a burning Flameblast build that is already one shotting entire screens, and I haven't even started using RF yet. I think its moreso that phys builds take very little planning, I had help from Invelasco to plan a RF + Flameblast build and so far has more survivability than my 2H stunner did.

I am going to put the build up in the forum at the end of domination. My favorite so far.

Love to see it if it can get good solo clear times on rare 73+ maps, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I can do cata in 4 mins. She's only 72 atm, will do the bigger maps once I get RF going. My gear is also complete shit and only using 2 four links for my 2 main skills. I need my PoF 1 level/Vit 2 levels and an Alphas or +2 fire/gems wand/scepter then plan on a vid and build thread.

On topic: spectral throw needs to be nerfed for lower levels, there is almost nothing that can compare. It is what almost everyone I see when rerolling uses even on casters.

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tackle70 wrote:

casters are junk so don't worry about it... they're just as bad at high levels as at low levels, excluding maybe some discharge builds

10k gmp tooltip, not counting the extra 20% vs freezed enemies which is 90%+ andthem being shocked. Sure my duelist has more but ~60-70k with perm freeze, pretty good

The point is not the dps you do at the end of your builds lifetime, its that you will never have 450ish dps on a lvl 14 character only using spells. Low lvl uniques give huge dps increases to melee, ranged chars but not to spellcasters because the scaling sucks for spells cuz its all % wise while others get like +20-40 direct dmg from items for example.

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ogorhan wrote:

The point is not the dps you do at the end of your builds lifetime, its that you will never have 450ish dps on a lvl 14 character only using spells. Low lvl uniques give huge dps increases to melee, ranged chars but not to spellcasters because the scaling sucks for spells cuz its all % wise while others get like +20-40 direct dmg from items for example.

Lvling a witch now. Act 1 normal I played with freezing pulse. Once I got to act 2, switched to searing touch staff and firestorm. Had 40-50 damage and mobs melted. By the end of the act got up to 100 damage and killed act two boss no problem. Act 3 I switched back to freezing pulse but that's simply because I prefer to play how I'd expect myself to be playing by endgame. But you can't really compare melee numbers to spell numbers.


But I do agree scaling is plain bad and def need more caster low lvl uniques.

freeze puls is anoying till you get lmp but than everything just melts. You guys are pasting a horror picture of caster leveling. I never experienced it this way.

The big plus of a caster is that he will never miss. As a melee oh boy...

btw isnt searing touch+ flameblast insane? I leveled through whole normal and cruel with ease without any spellspecc(just some cold) and faster casting. It doesnt have a high tooltip but it scales pretty good with each stage.

But ofcourse, there is more uniques that can be used as a meele character

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tadl wrote:

freeze puls is anoying till you get lmp but than everything just melts. You guys are pasting a horror picture of caster leveling. I never experienced it this way.

The big plus of a caster is that he will never miss. As a melee oh boy...

the 455 dps @lvl14 was WITH accuracy factored in.

as almost everyone else has said:

we have searing touch for levelling fire casters.

it is far more expensive than say a shiversting.

we have nothing for cold/lightning.


we don't they make a really realaly common unique (1chaos unique) that has some static mods to help with levlling casters?

+2to all spells +1to cold +1 to lightn/+x added cold/lighting/+ y-z damage added to your spells/etc All things that could give a base damage damage boost enough to melt faces the same way an attack user does.

I started incinerate at lvl 19 or something like that and it was fucking amazing compared to my double strike ranger. I also have very decent starting gear that i started with .. Just easy mode, and has been since i started incinerate. Overall i think you can get all of those items for a couple of chaos and be well on your way.

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shroudb wrote:

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tadl wrote:

freeze puls is anoying till you get lmp but than everything just melts. You guys are pasting a horror picture of caster leveling. I never experienced it this way.

The big plus of a caster is that he will never miss. As a melee oh boy...

the 455 dps @lvl14 was WITH accuracy factored in.

as almost everyone else has said:

we have searing touch for levelling fire casters.

it is far more expensive than say a shiversting.

we have nothing for cold/lightning.


we don't they make a really realaly common unique (1chaos unique) that has some static mods to help with levlling casters?

+2to all spells +1to cold +1 to lightn/+x added cold/lighting/+ y-z damage added to your spells/etc All things that could give a base damage damage boost enough to melt faces the same way an attack user does.

Buy 3-4 socket Searing Touch. IT'S FOR LEVELLING (see the difference?)
God... Why do you even need 5L Searing for levelling?

No items for caster levelling?

> Fencoil staff (levelling? yes). Incr.damage (up to 50%), life and mana (trap support for those who want). Bad for levelling? Think again

> Lifesprig wand? (up to 40% spell damage)
Doedre's Tenure goves (up to 50% spell damage), Asenath's Mark("helm") gives +15% cast speed (penalty -20% at Doedre's)

> as mentioned before: equip other "common uniques", and level freely (Crest of Perandus; Wanderlust, then Deerstalker Boots, and other options)

SO WHERE IS THE IMPARITY for casters? =_=

I am from that type of (obsessed, yeah ^_^) people, who want (and do) to level&play "in the description of the build".
Translation(:D) : if i make fire-caster - the only skills at the hotkeys are fireball, firestorm, fireblast etc (and the items equipped are "for casters").
No levelling like "ooh, level to 65 with ST, and then start to fire-cast", no.

And i don't see any problem with caster levelling
Like as with levelling other my builds (yes, it may be boring sometimes (viper strike and run in circles), but not even nearly "it's impossible to level as xxx !!!")

But people always want "1-shot whole screen with level 1 spell".

For those who want to QQ - there is forum, yeah...
For those who (really) want to play - there are many options...