Can Mana Leech sustain Frenzy?

You can't imo on a 6L 20q Frenzy 7-8 frenzy charges depending on boots. Mana cost is insane even with slow weapon.
Last edited by MyH4o#6914 on Jan 22, 2014, 3:30:38 AM
This is my biggest issue since beginnig playing a physical crit ranger....

Had about 8% Manaleech from Gear and 2% From nodes....and it wasn enough.

I wondered and I wondered....than i read about that 12,5% max amount of leech.

Still i have no idea how to solve that problem! I Have about 800Mana and Frenzy DPS can reach about 75k in Partys as 5l.
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And what about mana regen (from %manaregen and clarity)? It does not counts in this 12.5%(which you leech). So you can have more than 12,5% in sec of your mana replenished. Am I right?
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Nagluho wrote:
And what about mana regen (from %manaregen and clarity)? It does not counts in this 12.5%(which you leech). So you can have more than 12,5% in sec of your mana replenished. Am I right?


Yes you are right. What's the point if linking Frenzy with all DPS gems if you can't sustain it? Better to throw a Q Mana Leech gem in it and never face mana problems again. Or Blood Magic.
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hissnail wrote:
You can run Clarity with Empower and grab % Increased effect of auras nodes and Inner Force. Or you can try getting a really big mana pool (with EB, for example) so you leech a higher absolute mana than with a smaller mana pool.


What is even the point of running Clarity with Empower? It just increases the reserved mana amount tremendously without adding much mana regen..... I'd just add clarity on my reduced mana 4L and be done with it.
yeah i have found that the largest factor to keeping skills like frenzy afloat is simply having a large mana pool.


one thing to consider is because mana leech has such a low cap , you ill easily go past it if your pdps is 5 times the size of your mana pool , and that is with 2% mana leech.



so in the end , if you want them to be mana independent , the best way to do it is to have a big pool.

blood magic does it , or eb does it .



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royvisser1990 wrote:
You can lech 12.5% of your mana pool per sec. So it is possible that you cant sustain the mana if you attack to fast. So stacking more mana leech wont help.


OK thanks, seems it's hopeless :( total bullshit


you need to increase your dps I think.
I have pretty low mana and with 1% leech from item I can support frenzy-crit rate, crit dmg, added fire, faster attacks...
as long as you have enough phys deeps to leech the max and also you have enough mana pool to use the skill 2/3 times before empty you should be fine.
also if your accuracy sux you can ne ussing mana to shoot but not gettin any back on some of your attacks.
I do no regen maps fine with 1% mana leech and usually dont carry mana flask either.

edit: I see now you mean your leech speed is to low, I thought you meant your leech amount was too low.


my dps is quite high and it's mostly physical

yea i see i need a lot of mana but it's very hard to get as i am CI archer
there are so many ways to gain enough mana and mana regen but people mostly dont spec into mana AT ALL and then they are shocked that 'i run out of mana! this game is sht!'

- reduced mana cost nodes (7% by the templar, for me a must have)
- reduced mana GEM. yes, you can use it for stuff other than auras!
- scaling dps not from attack speed but from other sources.
- mana on kill makes a lot of sense in practice. Soul Siphon cluster works very very well in practice
- scaling dps down. what is the reason to have 20k build when you hit three times and run out of mana? your paper dps (the epeen) might shrink, but effective dps might go way up

and proper mana tree management: 200% mana regen with no +mana nodes? fail. +120mana with no mana regen nodes? fail. this stuff is multiplicative (like crit/crit.multi) and there is a ratio that gives best results. it is surprisingly cheap to get there

i have several 70/80+ chars and NOT A SINGLE one uses mana leech (it might be leveled on my ranger iirc) nor blood magic gem and im fine and i have wander, 5L reave with 2.2aps sword and incinerate and cyclone in 6L. not a single issue even with 50regen maps (but bring potions just in case)

the only skill that requires serious hardcore mana investment is elemental hit and in fact this skill is not worth it (unless you have soultaker)
Genrally i use mana leech for low cost skills (usually attacks) and regen for high cost skills. Regen has the benefit of alowing you to run aa and mom. 250-300 regen is fairly easy to achieve.
Try this Frenzy EB build :


The 12 charges Frenzy Archer

You won't even need mana leech gem or even mana leech from gear. The 2% mana leech passive will be sufficient.

My stats at level 85 :

4200 life, 23k LMP Frenzy (5L)
Shadow : Covenant Pulser (504561)
Ranger : 12 charges Frenzy Archer (65154), Dual Claws Elemental ST (709126)
Witch : Self-Cast Arc Tanky Witch (770185), AoF EK/Bear trap (863970)
Templar : Frenzy + AB/Fireball "Cast on Crit" Wander (611200)
Marauder : Death Oath Staff User (498864)

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