Aegis Aurora or Saffels Frame ? as Necrtomancer/Necro Aegis Keystone

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Natharias wrote:

I'd have to disagree. From my experience, there are not only more physical damage dealers but physical damage seems to do more against my minions than anything else. There's no point in using something to bolster a defense they don't need as much as another.

Your character appears to be level 70 which means it is doubtful you have level 20 zombies. I know many, many summoners in the high 80s and lower 90s, and they all use saffells if not prism. Even if you didn't want to use Saffells, lioneye remorse would be a far better choice. Aegis is a terrible idea, as zombies have no inherent armor and can not get iron reflexes.

Zombies + saffells can kill piety in under 10 seconds. She will demolish them with other shields.

I think its nice to switch shield depending on the map. On Dark Forest i take lion eyes shield, for temple i take saffels and purity of lightning.

edit: i have every +aura keystone on the tree which gives me about 60% to all res running lvl 18 purity. The question is do i really need to link misscreations(spectroe) to minion resis support gem ?

im using a 4link helmet with +2 minions since i have no 6L armour yet. what gems would you put in there when you snapshot your spectres ?

The way the "best" summoners do it is to use bringer of rain to summon the zombies, then go to town, switch out helmets and put zombie gem back in and put on a 5 or 6 link for the spectres. Ideal setup is shavronnes + prism guardian which then allows you to run 7 auras. As for links, there are good summnoner guides in Scion and Witch section, I can't recall exact gem setup though I believe for zombies it is Melee splash + multistrike + zombie gem + minion life.

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reboticon wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

I'd have to disagree. From my experience, there are not only more physical damage dealers but physical damage seems to do more against my minions than anything else. There's no point in using something to bolster a defense they don't need as much as another.

Your character appears to be level 70 which means it is doubtful you have level 20 zombies. I know many, many summoners in the high 80s and lower 90s, and they all use saffells if not prism. Even if you didn't want to use Saffells, lioneye remorse would be a far better choice. Aegis is a terrible idea, as zombies have no inherent armor and can not get iron reflexes.

Zombies + saffells can kill piety in under 10 seconds. She will demolish them with other shields.

No, I don't have level twenty zombies, they're level sixteen.

Aegis is not about armor, or was there a ninja patch where it's real bonus was changed from ES to armor? I thought Aegis restored ES? Also, I believe zombies do have armor, at least when you run determination and use Necromantic Aegis. So they do benefit from Aegis.

As to Piety, my minions rarely die. Maybe it's because I run with multiple auras and a Minion Resistance gem, and I kill her in about twenty seconds. What's your point?

My minions are four levels below yours, do not have any shield benefiting them from Necromantic Aegis, and kill her in twice the time it takes you. This is including IIR/IIQ attached to them. If someone is losing minions to Piety, they're doing something wrong.

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Natharias wrote:

No, I don't have level twenty zombies, they're level sixteen.

Aegis is not about armor, or was there a ninja patch where it's real bonus was changed from ES to armor? I thought Aegis restored ES? Also, I believe zombies do have armor, at least when you run determination and use Necromantic Aegis. So they do benefit from Aegis.

As to Piety, my minions rarely die. Maybe it's because I run with multiple auras and a Minion Resistance gem, and I kill her in about twenty seconds. What's your point?

My minions are four levels below yours, do not have any shield benefiting them from Necromantic Aegis, and kill her in twice the time it takes you. This is including IIR/IIQ attached to them. If someone is losing minions to Piety, they're doing something wrong.

Aegis Restores ES as a % of ARMOR.


I don't use minions.

Determination grants a % of armor bonus. I explained with numbers already. 400 ARMOR from Aegis. 40% extra from determination = still less than 600 armor. AEGIS gives 4% of armor as ES. 4% of 600 is 24 ES. Not a good choice. Learn something and move on. Not talking about Lunaris piety, btw.

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Natharias wrote:

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reboticon wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

I'd have to disagree. From my experience, there are not only more physical damage dealers but physical damage seems to do more against my minions than anything else. There's no point in using something to bolster a defense they don't need as much as another.

Your character appears to be level 70 which means it is doubtful you have level 20 zombies. I know many, many summoners in the high 80s and lower 90s, and they all use saffells if not prism. Even if you didn't want to use Saffells, lioneye remorse would be a far better choice. Aegis is a terrible idea, as zombies have no inherent armor and can not get iron reflexes.

Zombies + saffells can kill piety in under 10 seconds. She will demolish them with other shields.

No, I don't have level twenty zombies, they're level sixteen.

Aegis is not about armor, or was there a ninja patch where it's real bonus was changed from ES to armor? I thought Aegis restored ES? Also, I believe zombies do have armor, at least when you run determination and use Necromantic Aegis. So they do benefit from Aegis.

As to Piety, my minions rarely die. Maybe it's because I run with multiple auras and a Minion Resistance gem, and I kill her in about twenty seconds. What's your point?

My minions are four levels below yours, do not have any shield benefiting them from Necromantic Aegis, and kill her in twice the time it takes you. This is including IIR/IIQ attached to them. If someone is losing minions to Piety, they're doing something wrong.

My minions never die in merciless piety with saffels. They kill piety in 3 seconds but also take almost no dmg from her frost and lightning spells with purity of elements.
Overall running purity of elements was a huge step. I did think my minions were capped but it wasnt the case, now temple piety and villa is no problem anymore. before sometimes a minion died and you had to go back and snapshot again which was really anoying.

Aegis is really not a good shield for zombies and spectres as you need alot of armour to see a real effect. its useless for zombies and spectrss but very nice for animate guardian when you run determination as the guardian get armour from the gear you give him.

tested all day. saffels seems the best choice overall, killed lvl 74maze vaal in 7 secs. minions took no dmg. did every map up to level 76 without a single minion dying. only skipped residence because of LOL dominus.