Barrage the CoC gem: theorycraft and ST comparison

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Xymordos wrote:

I found that Cyclone was the most effective skill to proc CoC vs spectral throw or frenzy. Also linking exta skills with CoC (e.g. Discharge-Discharge-CoC) is almost always better than support gems.

cyclone is far the best in terms of procs BUT you are right in the middle of the mob group... quite big differance thna being in half a screen away from them that ST has.

also on supports vs double spell it really depends on the spell/attack. P.e. on my ST-CoC-Arctc breath:
i could add 1-2 more arcitc breaths, BUT lmp adds both more area and hits to ST = more procs AND gives shotgunning effect on breath (210%damage multiplier from 3*0,7).
So i lose one slot and:
gain more procs but lose the proc chance from double spell gem, that makes it about equal
gain more damage and lose double arctic proc damage. Since double spell proc is only 25% i think 100% double damage on a 50% proc chance is far better
gain % increased projectile damage for arctic.

the fifth slot could get a second arctic... if only i had another way to reliably get my 7 power charges. Even though i'm CI and cast on stun/cwdt would seem like an easy way, the freezing all mobs from half a screen away makes me not take enough damage to maintain power charges from proc-icespear-gmp-pcoc.

so pcoc far outweight a second spell gem atm because double chance for procs AND double chance for proc to crit is better than double chance for procs and nothing else.

I found that the other ways of proccing worked really really badly on bosses, which is why I went cyclone :P With mobs around they really don't a difference.

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Xymordos wrote:

I found that the other ways of proccing worked really really badly on bosses, which is why I went cyclone :P With mobs around they really don't a difference.

on terms of dps sure, but i can kite a lot of the melee bosses with ST+whirwind+frozen ground+temp chain and against ranged bosses the differance in term of procs/dps isn't that great since you should reliably get the full 5hits/attack on them since they stay put and usually dont come closer/run away from the maximum travel distance of ST.

my CoC alt though isn't map ready yet so i wouldn't know how he would fare there (now reaching piety merci for first time) but judging from my previous mapping experience i would think that he could handle more difficult map mods than a cyclone one.

I'm not into the kiting gameplay :P and I went life based since it was cheaper. ST would be fine if you would accept the slower boss killing speeds. It is indeed safer since cyclone with a dagger desyncs 1000% worse because of the tiny AOE.