what is with the hate for lightning skills

LS is a one target and aoe skill.. it kills everything fast. doesnt matter if its a group or a big boss... good support is conductivity first too givr rm more shock love than they can handle.. and if the hav high resist, then put some ele weakness on them.. its a no brainer with LS.. i wouldnt care about any single attacks
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Sony_Black wrote:
You could argue that in the end the slight lack of crits isn't that bad, since you can stll get a lot of shock satcks even without crits. A build with a decent crit chance and Static blows (and if you want Conductivity as well) should shock very often.

Take this example: link It will crit more than enough IMHO and even if it doesn't it has a 25% chance to shock (without conductivity!)

@Ouroboros226
Spask is your single target if you go in close and personal - spells can shotgun a spark from close range will hit the same opponent with all projectiles giving very good single target damage.

If you don't feel to confortable to go in close enough for shotgun spark you also have Arc, yes it hits more than one enemy, but in the end 3 isn't quite enough to effectively clear groups, while it is to weak with chain. So getting some dps supports on it might make it an OKish choise for single target.
Also the new skill is meant ot be both AOE and single target (since you can stack all lighning bolts on one enemy)


Unless you hug the monster while trying to single target it, spark will suck with the supershort duration.
What's the point of having different skills - and different elements - if they don't act different?

Everything can't be 100% balanced. But every elemental choice in this game is viable. But the word "viable" is sort of strange. For some people, mainly people with an IQ below 70, "viable" means "imbalanced as hell, doing level 100 in a couple of weeks".

But I DO agree with some folks in here - I miss a single target lightning damage spell for casters. Maybe this new one is fine.
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benkeia wrote:

...lighnin skills have very low and very high ends

1-1000 vs 500-500...

...in the meantime a 500-500 cold dmg skill, beside having more base crit like ice spear or freezing pulse, will freeze everytime it crit due to its damage range nature...




The average damage of cold is usually far lower then that of lightning
Elemenal hit: cold: 167–311(239 dmg) vs lightning: 33–624 (328 dmg)= 37% more average damage
Discharge: 163-245(204 dmg) vs lightning: 28-534 (281 dmg) =38% more average damage

Cold damage while more reliable, also deals less average damage (when crits are ignored).
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Last edited by Chesto#0622 on Nov 26, 2013, 9:45:26 AM
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Zanixx wrote:

Why would people use anything else other than lightning damage if it shocked enemies and did higher damager.
Its a trade off.



There are attack skills with lightning damage (Lightning Arrow/Lightning Strike), and they arent nerfed to boot like lightning spells. You can get very high crit chance with them by using proper weapon. I see no reasons,why lightning attacks should be strong, and lightning spells - weak in dealing critical strikes.
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I dont care for lower damage if its area wise and vice versa


shock nova just sucks because of the fucking hole in the middle

arc sucks because its not area wise and that GGG killed the skill by not making it "chainning" instead they added a hidden chain gem in it (explains why all the 50% reduce on it

tempest is nice but it would need to have its counter to be a visible thing, and a cones shaped recoil, like a lightning pulse (tension breakdown)

spark is meh, to be effective it needs allot of support and a closed area
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Zanixx wrote:
The very nature of lightning damage and the shock-stacking that comes with it is why the damage has such high variables.

Why would people use anything else other than lightning damage if it shocked enemies and did higher damager.
Its a trade off.

Not all spec/ele-types etc need to work the same. Lightning damage can be higher than all the others but ofcourse can often hit for far less.

So, perma frozen maps r ok, but shock needs a trade off, hmm ok then
All i know is Lightning Traps could use a little love. After the so called Arc buff i decided to make a a scion Arc/ Lightning Trapper. It was a huge waste of time. Both skills are garbage compared to others come end game.
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benkeia wrote:
ok ill compare it to my mellee physical damage, i use a 9.3 % crit chance claw, with 80%-40-40% to crit chance pasives and 6 power charges, my crit chance is over 75%, and crit multiplier 600%.

i flicker strike trough maps as if mobs where made of butter.

So what is your point im going to have a bad time comparing how the poorly 4% crit chance, and stacking shocking stacks, remotely compare to my mellee damage output?

yea im having a bad time noticing how great lighning dmg spells are right now, once again the guy who posted has a lvl 60 character -.- and thinks he can tell others how to compare damage.

please before stating your ideas, realize that if you haven´t tested it yourself, your opinion is just a reflection of other´s or maybe what you have seen on streams.

But if you tell me that you actively run a lighnin elemental damage mage and you consider it is currently "balanced" to your other characters, you have all my atention.


I'm sorry, I'm not sure of the point made in this post... now you're comparing phys damage to lightning damage?

If you are looking at a pure crit-build... lightning may not be the way for you! That doesnt mean lightning needs to change. Surely you can see that.
Just for try for see and for know -2013!

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Least my discharge is fucking amazing lol I hope the new lightning skill can fill my lack luster of single target -.-
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