When diablo 3 RoS comes out, PoE will die and the future will repeat itself

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JIIX wrote:

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abbarnes wrote:

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JIIX wrote:

With the current state of PoE, RoS will be a day 1 purchase, mainly because loot 2.0 will likely fix the core issues I have with D3.

I don't know about that. The RoS loot i have seen is still boring. Mostly different procs on attacking. This is largely due to the combat and game systems being so simple. You cant miss. All damage is the same. No burning, no freezing, no shocking. Everybody wants the same 3 stats plus primary stat. I don't see much changing there.

Compared to PoE where everybody wants hp/es, ar/ev and resists. My main issue wasn't really that all the affixes are boring, it's that the drops are balanced around an economy and an action house.

But that doesn't mean I gonna abandon PoE. Just that down the road, a nice change of scenery might renew my love for PoE.

I think you missed the point of my post. You cant seriously argue that d3 has near the depth of poe. Of course there are stats that everyone wants in both, but in d3 there is nothing else that matters outside of a few core stats. For example, there is no such thing as a caster dagger or melee dagger. The only thing that matters is dps. High dps = good for EVERY SINGLE BUILD IN THE GAME (practically). You can use a high dps sword on a mage as well as a barb. It is ridiculously oversimplified. In poe a spellcasting dagger is completely different from a melee dagger. Physical melee dagger is different from elemental melee dagger. Even which element matters.

Blizzard LITERALLY designed D3 to be so simple a grandma can play it without being confused. A dev said that they hid the ability to move skills on the skill bar in a menu so that inept people like his grandma wouldn't accidentally drag off skills and not know how to get it back. That was their design philosophy. Make everything as simple as possible. Fuck that.

So i am very skeptical that loot 2.0 will come anywhere near the variety and depth of what poe offers in terms of interesting loot.

Also battle.net 2.0 is a complete fucking joke. How does that game still not have gild/clan support? No lobbies. No pvp. No viable summoner. No ladders.

Blizzard has made a lot of improvements but the design was fucked up at the start so bad. The gameplay is solid although dodging shit on the ground gets old.

Without rehashing my many complaints about D3, I'm happy Blizzard is at least taking steps in fixing it. Things like getting rid of the auction house and adding Nephalem Rifts will undoubtedly improve the game. I'm more skeptical if making the numbers bigger on loot actually fixes anything, or just makes players feel better for a couple of weeks. I also hope they do something that makes it more of an actual RPG, because D3 didn't really feel like one to me.

The thing that doesn't change is that the current Blizzard took the dark and gritty franchise that I used to love and turned it into a playable Saturday morning cartoon with terrible writing (my opinion on the writing of course, but something that I firmly believe). I watched the D3 lore panel from Blizzcon the other day and it was pretty sad that their writers seem to have no more of an understanding about the game universe as someone who just read the Wiki.

I understand that they're adding a lot of the new features for free in the "Loot 2.0" fix, and I'll try them out when it's available. Not sure how much of the new improvements are going to be left separately for the expansion. I can't really see myself coughing up another 40 bucks or so for another clumsily written act.

On a side note, I've heard people say over the past year and a half that vanilla D2 was a bad game and didn't become good until LoD was released. I wonder if this is what people actually believe or if it's just been repeated so many times until people assume that it's true. In my opinion, vanilla D2 was a good game that happened to be made better by LoD.

Anyway, no need for people to get angry about what game other people choose to play and throw insults around. I'm sure a ton of people will check out the new D3 expansion. Some will come back to PoE, some will stick with D3. How many swing what way, no one knows. A select few may actually be mature enough to play both game and find some enjoyment in the both...A novel concept, I know.

I just want to know how the future can repeat itself; it hasn't happened yet.

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Natharias wrote:

The future cannot repeat itself if it has yet to happen.

You should edit the title to: "When Diablo 3 RoS comes out, PoE will die and the past will repeat itself"

Wasn't that the whole plot behind stuff like 12 monkeys and the terminator series :)


The future has to repeat itself, and the past is immutable because nothing can be changed... not knowing it isn't a means to change it anyway thus causing it to happen regardless and knowing it was what made it happen in the first place and thus it will repeat in a infinite loop anyway.... LOL

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On a side note, I've heard people say over the past year and a half that vanilla D2 was a bad game and didn't become good until LoD was released. I wonder if this is what people actually believe or if it's just been repeated so many times until people assume that it's true. In my opinion, vanilla D2 was a good game that happened to be made better by LoD.

Diablo 2 was released 13 years ago..many of us were kids or just teens .. our perceptions was different these days..but for me..I can say..that I was looking for Diablo 2 so god damn long.. I was reading every piece of information in any mag I found.. I hadn't internet connection these days..so it was really hard..and when D2 was finally released, It was soo fun to play my beloved game..

However..not for very long.. after 2 months..I just stopped playing Diablo 2 altogether. Why? I don't know for sure..however..after LoD release.. I started to play Diablo again ..and was returning to this game very often..last time I played Diablo 2: LoD was two years ago..I think this says a lot..

Of course..it's very simple to look at Vanilla Diablo 2 and think about it with open mind..and honestly..D2V was horrible game...like..it was fun and innovative ..but soo many things were wrong.. but for us ..as kids..it was hard to see these flaws..

It just hurts to see how many will throw like 60 euro for a blizzard expansion, play it for maybe 2 weeks and get bored as hell. But these players didn't spend a cent for this game with more hours played. I'm not even a dev and watching this hurts.
I for sure won't spend money for one playthrough of a probably nice looking act to realise there is jack shit to do after that.

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stefan_12345 wrote:

I don't think so.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Most people won't buy or play D3 expansion at all.

Enough said.

oh man the new legendaries are out and they're 100x better designed than this.

You should plagiarize some of them imo.

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oXu wrote:

for me...poe is the actual diablo3.

It's not d3, we all saw that all games created by d1 d2 creators failed (torchlight, marver heroes) so blizzard north had already made everything they could.

I Don't expect much from Diablo anymore, (besides some of the nicest cinematics) so I won't be buying RoS.

I did however play a lot of Diablo 3 and now PoE and this is how I feel. When I've moved on past both these games in the far future I'll be looking at a couple things. I'll ask myself which characters I was most fond of, and how gratifying the goals that I had I set for my characters felt, when I had achieved them.

For me if you can put in the time for PoE, its worth much more in memories, but if you can't then D3 is a great action game too with an endgame that the majority can reach. Something not to be said of PoE. Just remember that both games will be tiresome to play if you've overplayed their respective values. This is a problem I think many people on here have because they've played PoE for so long now and want something different.

As a side note, I do think Blizzard can still make good games as shown by Hearthstone. They just need to get back to basics for their games and expand ideas from there.