PoE Vs Diablo 3 new expansion

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Startkabels wrote:

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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Sneakypaw wrote:

Guys (and I am not just talking about you startkabels), please start to read X-Fire correctly.

D3 is on place 10 not because of the amount of Players who play it. The list is sorted for Hours/Day.

If D3 had 1 player that plays 5000 hours per day (yeah I know) it would still be on place 10.

Since you might have not seen it.

I don't think so, did you even open the link? The list you are referring to is a different one and can be found here http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats

It seems you are the one who didn't look at what you linked. The Value on which D3s place 10 is based on is 5001. And if you click on the Game you can clearly see that 5001 is this.

"Hours Per Day: 5,001"

Players are stated seperately on the left of it with:

"Players: 1,593"


Seriously, I am all for an back and forth yadayada, but when I see that you don't even investigate what you are looking at but just saying "D3 Is top 10" then I don't know how much I can trust any other of your statements.

Also:

Assumptions they may be, but It's fact that blizzard plans to transfer Paragon Experience to the new system. It is also Fact that there are people
with multiple Paragon lvl 100 characters (each 10,454,400,000 billion Experience).
I don't know if the point that Paragon 2.0 Level will require less exp. than the current one came directly from blizzard but even if they need the same amount that still means that some people start with multiple hundred of Paragon levels. Also, you can calculate right now how long someone need to farm to get to paragon level 100 and you can make estimates based on that number given that the new act will most likely give more exp than the earlier ones.

However it is not even relevant for the point I made (D3 sales was a big success, think you even agreed with it): You are right, I interpret the list wrong because the graph was not displayed on my computer @ work.

Anyway: Let me know when you finished your calculations, would be very interesting. Right now I have no reason to assume that Paragon 2.0 wouldn't improve diversity and end game experience.

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Startkabels wrote:

However it is not even relevant for the point I made (D3 sales was a big success, think you even agreed with it): You are right, I interpret the list wrong because the graph was not displayed on my computer @ work.

Anyway: Let me know when you finished your calculations, would be very interesting. Right now I have no reason to assume that Paragon 2.0 wouldn't improve diversity and end game experience.

You were the one who used X-Fire for your argument. Of course, if you use the site to make a point I expect of you that you investigated what the numbers mean and if the point you try to make by linking the site is valid. I have to apologize for one thing though, I thought your point was that D3 gained more players again thus I couldn't agree with you actual statement. I just didn't re-read your post.

But I never denied that D3 sold a shitload of copys, that was another guy. I don't use initial sale figures as an argument though, they are only a testament of the hype build beforehand. Also, I am not denying that D3 has a lot of fans. I just don't think that D3 is a good game and that is of course just my opinion.

That said, I don't trust Blizzard anymore. People are free to buy RoS, but I would advise them to wait until it is proven that they delivered what they promised.

Another point is, you can be hyped for RoS and the new 2.0 changes if you want, but making it sound like a matter of fact that these will actually do what they are set out to do is just ridiculous.

Even loot 2.0 will hit a wall. If there is no unlimited scaling with the mods on the items then people will hit a point where even with smart loot it will be hard to find upgrades and at then the same problems as before will surface.

You wanted me to just agree with your point that D3 sold well, but you refuse to agree to my point, that at some point two characters of the same class will be identical without gear, just because it might take a long time. We both seem to have some problems here.


We might as well forget my whole point about Paragon 2.0. I am too lazy to gather all the data and in the end It will just be an estimate that won't actually prove anything. So I don't want to waste the time.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

Another point is, you can be hyped for RoS and the new 2.0 changes but making it sound like a matter of fact that these will actually do what they are set out to do is just ridiculous.

Even loot 2.0 will hit a wall. If there is no unlimited scaling with the mods on the items then people will hit a point where even with smart loot it will be hard to find upgrades and at then everything goes from the beginning.

You wanted me to just agree with your point that D3 sold well, but you refuse to agree to the point that at some point two characters of the same class will be identical without gear just because it might take a long time. We both seem to have some problems here.


We might as well forget my whole point about Paragon 2.0. I am too lazy to gather all the data and in the end It will just be an estimate that won't actually prove anything. So I don't want to waste the time.

Yes, it is not a fact that the changes will do exactly as intended but it is the vision behind it that matters.
Loot 2.0 is indented to make playing the game more rewarding as buying stuff on auction and Paragon 2.0 is indented for a better end game and more character customizing.

Of course you can always counter "Loot 2.0=playing game is more rewarding as buying on auction" or "Paragon 2.0=More build diversity" if you bring in certain parameters like you just did with that wall that will inherently be hit when obtained certain uber rolled items.

But those parameters do not apply for the biggest part of the game experience and probably only in very very late end game.

If you think in that way, then hell let's just remove drops and only have an auction house in D3? Your reasoning is not fair and especially not when thinking about trading in PoE.

For me PoE has better itemization at the moment but only because of class specific item mods that D3 will get in the expansion, but as far as item upgrades are concerned: All I do in PoE to upgrade gear from Merciless is buying stuff trough trading.

So what would your response be when GGG would introduce the same Loot 2.0? You could respond exactly in the same way telling them that eventually people hit that wall and trading is more rewarding.

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Startkabels wrote:

Sorry I edit my post to something that is more easy to read, so you might wanna do the same. I will respond later.

I edited your new post in, but I will leave my post as is. I kept it civil (i think) and made some points I would like to keep in.

Meanwhile in the Runic headquarters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAudygl9PRM

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Startkabels wrote:

This is a useless discussion but the real point is that it is intended to contribute to build diversity and end game experience, you cannot argue with that without knowing how it will work out.

If irony had a king, you would steal the crown

And after 40 pages of feeding you, I wonder ... how fat have you gotten?

PS purposefully skipped my presentation of d3 vs poe build variety didnt you? yeah i would too if i were you, what else could you possibly say after that?

This topic is 100% useless for 1 single reason:

D3's expansion wasn't released yet.

There.

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NCPereira wrote:

This topic is 100% useless for 1 single reason:

D3's expansion wasn't released yet.

There.

Now that is ironic, how people keep posting that the topic should be locked, is useless, nobody cares.

In the meantime it is over 40 pages long because people apparently want to discuss this topic.

If you don't like the topic, then get the out of here. It is you guys that are useless with your responses, not this post. Or tell me what is really bothering you? The fact that I am negative about PoE or positive about D3? You don't have to answer that, I know. Go and cry to your mommies now.

Because this topics is about announced changes in the upcoming D3 expansions that are very interesting for lots of people except you, especially if you look at the general complains about D3 that you read so often on this particular forum and the current unrewarding state of PoE.

Good luck with your responses all!