Standard league Alchemy:chaos rates. Scouring.
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Okay so I've been quite confused for a while as to peoples alchemy:chaos rates when compared to scouring, especially.
So, most people seem to agree that chaos:fus is around 1:2, and fus:scouring is around 1:1. Now, I've been seeing lately that people are asking for 1:2 when it comes to fus:alch, and 1:3(or even 4) for chaos:alch. This seems incredibly unreasonable when 1scouring+1alchemy does the exact same thing as 1chaos does. That is, 1scouring + 1.5-2 alchemy = 1 chaos according to people in general. This, to me, doesn't make sense at all unless everyone are screwing alchemy seller over on purpose. Am I missing something? Thanks for any answers. Cheers! IGN: Standard: @MeowViking Perandus: @VikingVortex Last edited by HandsomeBear#0063 on Jul 28, 2013, 12:15:56 PM
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Actually 1 Scour + 1 Alc does more than 1 Chaos.
Chaos Orbs only work with rares, while Scour + Alc works with all rarities (besides uniques) and both ways. So actually they should be rated higher than 1 Chaos Orb. But that's just my opinion -.- I've seen people travel east, I've seen them go west.
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" Agreed. I miss the time when the rates were: 1 Exalted = 5 GCP = 15 Chaos = 30 Alch/Scour/Fusing And about a month ago I saw people trying to sell one Exalted for 220 Alchs... IGN: Exalon
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For a simple reason:
Most people do not craft with either scouring+alch or chaos, so the value of the orbs is to a large extent not based on their crafting usefuless. To make chaos less valuable than scouring+alch, the supply of chaos needs to go up a hell lot. This message was delivered by GGG defence force.
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" .. What? Most people who do maps and don't want to fall back to 66-70 maps use big amounts of chaos. Most people who want to craft weapons and other gear pieces use chaos, the majority of players can't afford accurate crafting with exalteds and/or eternals. Also, I'm not saying that chaos should go down in value, I'm saying that alchemy orbs should, practically, be worth half a chaos along with scourings. I don't know what you're trying to say at all. Edit; not to mention that if chaos orbs didn't have any usefulness people wouldn't use it as a currency. Non of PoE's currency items work like real world money does, it's a completely different economy that doesn't use any make-belief currency. IGN: Standard: @MeowViking Perandus: @VikingVortex Last edited by HandsomeBear#0063 on Jul 28, 2013, 1:43:52 PM
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" People are usually not extremely stupid. The people who craft do know that alchemy+scouring has at least the same effect as chaos. So the only rational explanation is that the grand majority do not use alchemy+scouring or chaos to craft. The majority of the scouring+alchemy and chaos they own is used for trading, not crafting. I am sure that there are people who craft using them often, but they are evidently not using them enough otherwise the market would look very ifferent. ---- Since the craftning usefulness is vastly inferior in importance compared to the trading value, the only way that chaos would go below the alchemy+scouring value is if the supply of chaos increased a hell lot. Reason why is because scouring already has an usefulness connected to orb of regrets and alchemy has an usefulness connected to making a normal item become a rare. So if chaos became very common, people would stop using alchemy+scouring combination altogether and instead simply use scourings for regrets and alchemy for normal->rare, which would eventually lead to that chaos become less valued than alchemy+scouring combo. This message was delivered by GGG defence force.
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well Alchs can be used only one per item and after a certain point the base-items it's potentially useful for you to use an Alch on don't drop as often as Alchs
While Alch+Scour does the same as a Chaos, Alchs become near useless without Scourings, and Scourings have different uses - Chancing an item, some players buy regrets with them... So the Scouring is potentially the more valuable part in the Alch+Scour combination. So Alch goes down in price related to Scours and everything stays the same, so Alchs and Alch-worthy items like Chisels and Blessed's go down in Price. Fusings are in somewhat a funny spot. |
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" Again, I think 1scour+1alch should be equal to 1chaos, not above nor below. Why would anyone waste scourings to get regrets when they can use fusings to trade with other players if they want regrets and save scourings to use them together with alchs to craft maps and gear a hell of a lot cheaper than with chaos? And please tell me why you don't think people are consuming chaos orbs and instead only using them as a make-belief currency? That, if anything, makes no sense what-so-ever in a barter economy. Edit; " My point was that you can buy scourings at 2:1 with chaos, which should mean that alchemy rates are the same, which they're not, amazingly. IGN: Standard: @MeowViking Perandus: @VikingVortex Last edited by HandsomeBear#0063 on Jul 28, 2013, 2:04:12 PM
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" One anecotal evidence: extremely few people in trade chat ever shout "trading my chaos for your scouring+alch". That pretty much says it all about how much people really craft with chaos and alch+scouring combo :D. So it is more reasonable to assume that using them as a make-belief currency is the predominant use in Path of Exile economies (at the very least standard one XD). I suppose the last explanation would be that people do use a lot of chaos for crafting but they are too lazy/stupid to use alch+scouring which would be cheaper in current economy. But I very much doubt that XD. This message was delivered by GGG defence force. Last edited by mazul#2568 on Jul 28, 2013, 2:06:31 PM
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Besides the fact that scouring + alch should be worth more than a chaos, the alch recipe allows for people to o crewte massive amounts of tgat orb. Thus why they're not worth a lot.
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