Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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wrathmar wrote:

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Juggernaut448 wrote:

Now that I've read they're changing FFA loot, I'm kind of sad. Hope they keep the option to have FFA loot in a party, my friends and I enjoy it.

I doubt that they are going to move to a fully instanced system. I expect them to extend the timers or prevent them from running when surviving monsters are around. I also expect them to tighten up the radius for the IIQ bonus to prevent boosters and the issue with team mates running ahead to grab chests.

I could see them adding a full FFA system to the soon to be released Cut throat league.

I hope they don't move to a fully instanced system. They already said they wouldn't increase the timers because it slowed down progress greatly. I can imagine people will complain about something new with loot if they implement instanced loot anyway. I play this game for the Diablo-like feel to it, FFA loot included. It reminds me of the days of better games. I even tried playing Torchlight 2 the other day and that was just... well not the same. In any way, I like this game due to the vast amount of skills, the huge skill tree and the variety of builds this game has to offer.

Also, Cut-Throat sounds great, FFA loot, PKing, etc. I absolutely loved playing Dark Souls and the whole invasion thing was great stuff.

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Juggernaut448 wrote:

I hope they don't move to a fully instanced system. They already said they wouldn't increase the timers because it slowed down progress greatly.

Why was progress slower? Was it because people were waiting longer to take loot that was nominally given to someone else, or was it because people were actually killing everything and then took a few seconds downtime on occasion to sort through a giant loot pile? Or was it because they had some genuine social interaction to trade around their nominally assigned loot for stuff they could use better?

In any case, it sounds like our loot system is going to stay half-assed for the sake of the illusion of cut-throatness.

Yeah, I just can't support GGG's attitude here. If you want to cater to one specific community then that's fine, but GGG is trying to half-ass a compromise between two communities that want to play the game in two distinct ways, and until they figure it out that enforcing one way to play onto a diverse community is just a terrible idea, I'm going to go play Torchlight 2.

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Juggernaut448 wrote:

Now that I've read they're changing FFA loot, I'm kind of sad. Hope they keep the option to have FFA loot in a party, my friends and I enjoy it.

May I ask where you read this?

Per the Brian_GGG screencaps earlier:

Timed FFA is not going away.
There will be no pure FFA.
They're going to increase the timers.
No one said anything about instanced loot, so it's probably just as off-the-table as pure FFA is.

Look for a Spoiler tag to find the screencap. It's probably still in the ten last pages.

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killbilly wrote:

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Whisper135 wrote:

Simple 5 step solution to the loot problem:

Step 1: Create a league and call it something like "Casual Carebears" or "LOLJUSTLIKEDIABLO3"

Step 2: In this league loot will drop which is permanently assigned to a specific player in the group so no one can "Ninja" their loot.

Step 3: Give this league and Auction House too so they can trade all this loot that hasn't been Ninja'd from them.

Step 4: Thank the lords that this part of the community will have their own league so we can stop hearing about how they want every game in the world to require no time, effort, skill or thought to play.

Step 5: The rest of us enjoy this cut-throat themed game the way GGG meant for it to be played.

you sir won the clueless award for today

you are failing in whatever you say and pretty much you post the same BS like the rest

and i will say only 1 serious sentence for you (you do not deserve it but ok)

why not make the "cut throat pro playerz pk for lootz etc" league?


you are so crappy that you want the rest of the community move away from the DEFAULT/HARDCORE league cause YOU (and few others) want a "cut throat" league

I'm pretty sure the community that backed this game and GGG's original ideas of the game are larger than the people who are complaining about loot. And yes.. it makes sense to make a new league to move this community from the "Default" ideas/themes of the game.

YOU, Sir, won the clueless award for today. You could always just go back to D3 if you're not happy here.

I read that too moi.

Problem is, the timers are already too long in team play.

One of the things Brian said was something like "we'll be looking at how long each different thing is timed for."

I notice a lot of people who come into the thread to describe a negative experience, they specify that they lost what would have been their first unique to someone else. It's possible that they could be reducing the time on commodities and magic but extending the timer on rares and uniques. That could result in a net increase to game speed given that the total restriction time used in a map would drop.

Ex, instead of 10 commodities delaying progress 10 seconds, they give it a half timer and the 10 commodities only end up delaying 5 seconds.
Same thing for blues. Drop it from a second each to half a second each, you put five seconds back into the potential progress pot.
You now have ten seconds of potential progress you can allocate to the one rare that will drop in that same timeframe.

Balancing that part could be what's making the fix take so long. You can't just say "all commodities are half-second timers" because then people would start coming in complaining about losing what would have been their first regal or exalt to someone else.

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Crizaig wrote:

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Juggernaut448 wrote:

They already said they wouldn't increase the timers because it slowed down progress greatly.

This is a crock of shit. If GGG wants everyone to blaze through their content super fast and become bored with it at an even faster pace, perhaps they are making the wrong type of game.

So... you're blazing through the game at mach speed right now? They've already said they toyed with increasing timers and said that it wouldn't work out. People who wanted the look would have to wait 30 seconds for the timer to end just to pick it up while the rest of the group moved on.

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Xaxyx wrote:

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Juggernaut448 wrote:

Now that I've read they're changing FFA loot, I'm kind of sad. Hope they keep the option to have FFA loot in a party, my friends and I enjoy it.

May I ask where you read this?

Screen caps a few pages before.

"Brian_ggg: Swagand: very very unlikely that it'll every be purely FFA, but we will likely adjust timers, and what things get timers"

I think they're being indecisive about what to do about loot since they did say before that they don't want to increase timers, but say they want to now. I feel in the end they're going to try to please everyone which will end up making people more upset. Seriously, you can't please everyone all the time.

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moikpei wrote:

Per the Brian_GGG screencaps earlier:

Timed FFA is not going away.
There will be no pure FFA.
They're going to increase the timers.
No one said anything about instanced loot, so it's probably just as off-the-table as pure FFA is.

Look for a Spoiler tag to find the screencap. It's probably still in the ten last pages.

Oh, they're keeping timed FFA? Well that's fine with me. I must have read that wrong then. Strange though they've suddenly decided to increase the timers when before they said increased timers would slow down progression through areas.

I honestly don't see what people are complaining about though. Loot is already semi-instanced, I've never not had enough time to get to an item that gave me reserved time to pick it up. I've also played as each class while doing so.

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Crizaig wrote:

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Juggernaut448 wrote:

So... you're blazing through the game at mach speed right now? They've already said they toyed with increasing timers and said that it wouldn't work out. People who wanted the look would have to wait 30 seconds for the timer to end just to pick it up while the rest of the group moved on.

Considering it only takes a few hours to level from 1-40 and beat normal difficulty. I'd say that is blazing through the game pretty fast.

I don't know where you got your information from since you fail to provide any links, but giving everyone enough time to loot their allocated items is in no way going to slow down anything.

The only people extending the loot timer will hurt are the loot-whores who have to pick up every fucking thing that drops on the ground. Boo-hoo you got to wait a few seconds to pick up something that someone didn't want.

If the item is worth anything, people will not be leaving it behind in the first place. DERP!

Sure, getting a character through normal is pretty easy and quick, once you hit Cruel and Merciless though you can't just rush through that. That's also part of beating the game as well. Level 1-40 isn't the whole game pal.

My information is lost in the sea of threads for the moment. After they began locking all of the other loot threads that popped up and made everyone stick to this thread, the other loot threads have sunken into the depths of the forum pages to rarely ever be seen again. I do clearly remember that Chris mentioned that increasing the timers would slow down group progress quite vividly though. Believe me or not, it doesn't matter to me.

Also, they didn't mention anything about extending the loot timers per say, they simply said they're "adjusting" them. That brings about a plethora of possibilities of what they're doing with timers.

I'll give you a situation in which someone would leave behind an item. You're partied with a Witch and a Ranger using a wand and bow. A rare two handed axe drops and you're playing your two handed axe marauder. You've been looking for a new axe for a while now and this one has just the right sockets. Oh no, it's for the Witch, she passes it and acts like she doesn't care one bit. You're stuck there waiting 30-40 seconds to pick it up while the rest of your group has moved on. You just lost out on a bunch of other loot/currency you might have been able to get because the timer was 30-40 seconds too long. You then come to the forums to complain about the timers being too long because you were away from your group trying to get that axe when an exalted dropped for you and the Ranger picked it up.

Nothing. Changes.