Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Vooodu wrote:

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Olievlekje wrote:

Current loot methods suck as a ranged you get like 0 drops wile in a 6man party no one cares who needs it everyone just ninja`s as fast as possible.

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Anyone who says they are ranged and can't get drops need to learn how to play.

Voodu pls leave this discussion, thats not very helpfull.. there are connection issues and ways to abuse the system against range player...fd

cheers,

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Minttunator wrote:

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killbilly wrote:

you have YET to provide a valid fact why you dont' want LOOT OPTIONS...as all of us asked from day1 in this thread

You keep using the word 'fact' to describe opinions - I don't think that word means what you think it means. ;)

The argument against loot options is twofold - I'm sure it's been brought up before, but I will reiterate for you. Obviously, these are opinions not 'facts':
1) adding options to change the core systems of the game will effectively force the developers to create, maintain and support several parallel games. This might not be feasible, given that GGG are a small company. I also seem to recall that they don't want to overload the game with a multitude of options, preferring instead to keep it relatively simple and elegant.
2) it would segregate the community even more than it is now - this is also why adding several different leagues with varying looting/respeccing/whatever rules might not be a good idea. Note that they are planning to add custom/paid leagues with custom rules, but they have also stated that these customisations will only facilitate making the game harder not easier. :)

seriously you guys must
A) learn to read
b) learn to quote
c) stop quoting 1 sentence out of a paragraph and critize on that as if this the whole post

and since i am a nice person deep inside me i will quote myself for you and will help you understand how the things are.

First and most critical...i claimed the following facts

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Killbilly wrote:

the only facts are

500 pages thread
110++ views
there is NOT an hour (or less) in the HC league global chat that someone new will post a negative party experience (and i play for more than 3-4h per day)
FFA is a system that belongs to the last decade and hasnt' been used till poe
FFA will only bring pickit bots (it is only a matter of time)
FFA is PROMOTING to see the grouping experience as a hostile activity (cut throat)

and now lets see the googled version of the word fact

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google wrote:

fact [fakt] Show IPA
noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.
something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5.
Law. . Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.

and let me now do it for you (since you don't know how to proper argue) try to counter my own facts.

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500 pages thread

oups you got me there it wasnt' in the 500 page.....but hell how did i knew that this thread will reach 500 pages...OK friend i lost this one

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110++ views

i forgot to present the number correctly...it is 110K++ views..sorry

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there is NOT an hour (or less) in the HC league global chat that someone new will post a negative party experience (and i play for more than 3-4h per day)

the terminology i used above says

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a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

so i am correct there...and i posted it...this was my observation..you can accept it or leave it cause i.e. i maybe play when all carebears play...but IT IS a fact but MAYBE not true

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FFA is a system that belongs to the last decade and hasnt' been used till poe

the last game used it was Diablo2 after this system was abandoned by any multiplayer game till PoE (MMMOs, Arpgs etc)

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FFA will only bring pickit bots (it is only a matter of time)

well ok i lost this one it is a prophecy not a fact...SORRy

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FFA is PROMOTING to see the grouping experience as a hostile activity (cut throat)

this is wording from the DEV himself...so yes it is a fact...

ps. See how arguments are done? do you know what fact is? did you learned how to correctly quote? good for you

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TheSwampDog wrote:

In many online games, there are PvE and PvP servers. In PvP, other players can kill you. So why would anyone join a PvP server? To be able to kill other players.

That is why people would still play FFA; not to run the risk of being ninja'd, but to have the opportunity to do it to others.

Your comparison to PVP indicates that you feel that you are a "victim" when someone picks up an item that once had your name over it, when really the game provided you with a better opportunity than anyone else to pick it up. Many people don't consider picking up items to be doing something to somebody else; they're merely picking up an item that was available to everyone at the time. Killing baddies and grabbing loot are what make the game fun; I don't blame anyone for wanting to do either.

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Vooodu wrote:

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eliasfrost wrote:

OPTIONS

....You want options..

Go play another game.

Your options wil never run dry.

Nooo voodoo i stopped quoting you and you went back there....

this is not YOUR game (neither mine)
this is GGG's Game

you cant' come here and post

"get the f**** out of here carebears"

and the most important part is that you CANT' win any argument with things like this...we are here to discuss the looting issue as Chris HIMSELF asked us to do so...and he also sayed that they dont' want crap posts like yours...let me quote chris

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Chris wrote:

What do you guys think about this suggestion? Please don't just post "allocated sucks", or "I won't play if it's free-for-all".

SEE? your posts are meaningless to this thread

What sucks for me with this ffa looting is my latency, everytime the timer on my loot reaches 1/2 way someone has already picked it up. Sucks ass and very discouraging, it's about the only thing in the game that kills it for me tbh. Solo play ftw :/

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OPTIONS!

Here is a very easy thing for all of you to think about:

60% wants instanced
40% wants FFa

Let's assume this for the sake of the argument--

Instead of making 60% of the playerbase forced to play FFA or resort to Singleplayer, then one single, really simple solution would fix this: add the option to either play Instanced OR FFA, there's no forcing here, it's all based on your preference (HEAR THAT? It's NOT forcing ANYONE to PLAY ANY of the PLAYSTYLES) it's all based on your preferences, and how you want to play. And if you want to play FFA, then play FFA, if you want to play instanced, then play instanced. EVERYONE is HAPPY.

And since 40% want FFA, I found it REALLY HARD to see why every single one of them would choose Instanced (like some suggest) because if they are so fond of playing FFA then they would obviously choose it. The argument that all FFA:ers would choose Instanced instead would mean that they are so greedy that they must be FORCED to play in a FFA environment to not do so. Kinda like how they FORCE drug addicts to stop doing drugs because they can't keep away from it on their own.

That's why we want OPTIONS. OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS, OPTIONS!!

I'm going to take Vooodu's advice. I want options, therefore fuck Path of Exile.

Bye.

The people that wants instanced loot actually do not need loot to be instanced.

All GGG has to do is to have permanent name assignments (or ~5 minutes) to loot that drops. Loot is not instanced in this case. No "bubble feeling" is created because the rest of the group still sees what your loot drop was.

Which brings me to...

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eliasfrost wrote:

OPTIONS

In an earlier post many many pages ago, I did suggest giving an option for true FFA and the system I mentioned above.

Do this for just one weekend, but implement it at a later date (~3 months?) so that the "core" PoE ingame community settles down, so that GGG has a clearer picture of the playerbase.

Let GGG gather the in-game data and see how it pans out. No amount of forum posting (even in this megathread) can represent the actual in-game community. Let the in-game community speak out and until then, it would be fallacious for BOTH the pro-FFA AND anti-FFA groups to say that they are in the majority.


EDIT - In case you are wondering what my stance on loot is - I actually don't care.. at least not on a personal level. I only party with friends and we share out loot to the benefit of the whole group. HOWEVER, I feel what I suggested is important enough for GGG to consider, from a game design point of view.

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killbilly wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

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eliasfrost wrote:

OPTIONS

....You want options..

Go play another game.

Your options wil never run dry.

Nooo voodoo i stopped quoting you and you went back there....

this is not YOUR game (neither mine)
this is GGG's Game

you cant' come here and post

"get the f**** out of here carebears"

Sorry... I had a relapse.



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Vooodu wrote:

Sorry... I had a relapse.



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lol'd :D:P