Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Leagues with different rules. In one league, the game has the feel they want, and the people who prefer the feel can go into those league to feel their feels. Casuals who just want LOL DROPS can go into those leagues and bask in the sea corroded blades and small mana flasks. As long as it's not a global rule, the feel-based gameplay is available. Two groups have a satisfactory experience available to them rather than one.

What would be imbalanced about instanced loot? LOL GREENS would get a free ride, and LOL REDS would need to fight for scraps. Sounds like an optimal scenario for both parties. Each is getting what they want.

Please cite a source that backs up "hardcore is huge", while bearing in mind that "huge" is a relative term, so the source would need to show hardcores as being larger than any census of casuals. As for "likes to spend money", if you go back through this thread page by page skimming for Diamond Supporters, check their posts and you'll find a plurality are asking for a compromise, not to keep it gangsta.

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iamstryker wrote:

Consequence for ninjaing? You say its that people might not friend you? Gee maybe if you do it in every game that your in and ninja anything remotely valuable. It wouldn't be hard at all to play in a lot of public games and only ninja when you see super the most valuable items. You could easily get away with that and still have a large friends list. Thats the poorest consequence ever.


I don't know why people with my playstyle should have a consequence simply for having a certain kind of playstyle. In that case GGG should do what I already described which is turn Path of Exile into a hardcore only game. Cutthroat only, pure FFA only. That way there is no confusion from my side of the fence.

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Xaxyx wrote:

There's no penalty for soloing, SL4Y3R. The player gets to be guaranteed 100% of the loot drops. By your reasoning, then, shouldn't we ban soloing? After all, hordes of GREENS are playing right now by themselves, in solo games, robbing all you l33t REDS of the opportunity to steal their stuff! Oh, the humanity!

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Planet: it is because it BREAKS the entire meta game. Read devs, wishes of what they want the game to be, which has already been proven.

I will try to go back some pages and find a post that someone else wrote that explains the idea behind it.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

It is highly unlikely the devs want to split the population of their game. I explained what would happen based on the version of instanced they could choose. It would be nice if people would actually read the posts they are quoting.

I really need to prove that their is a large market for people that play ARPG's that have access to money and are not casuals? D2, and D3 is not a large enough market to steal from?

I also never used the term "hardcores".

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Omnivore61 wrote:

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Jackel6672 wrote:

How do you suggest they keep the feel of the game they would like to have, and have instanced?

That was one of the fundamental points of a couple of my posts through these 200+ pages that no one ever seems to answer.

Also, no one wants to argue balance in instanced and how it changes the core game to one the devs don't want.

Again, fundamentally this game is not targeted for casuals but for gamers of the ARPG genre. That is the target market, and its a huge market who like to spend money.

Non-FFA (instanced) is exactly the same as solo. The only difference is the efficiency, casuals/Greens don't care generally all that much about efficiency so moot point. So how does having solo play change the core game to one the devs don't want?

Does this mean you are in favor of eliminating the solo play option at some point so as to force the 'cut-throat feel' upon all players? If the 'feel of the game' is the overriding concern and 'options are evil', then why have a default league in the first place? Why separate out hardcore and cut-throat leagues?

Go ahead, make game with enforced 'cut-throat feel' from beginning to end - in *any* genre. As soon as the sheep get the message, the wolves go hungry, and, in the end, most of the wolves go elsewhere for prey.

However, you've convinced me of one thing, that it is a bad idea for someone like me to spend any money on this game. I'll stick around through the beginning of OB to see the new content because I like the basic game, as a Green, solo as I evidently must.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

And there is a penalty for soloing. It's slower. A lot slower.

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moikpei wrote:

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Jackel6672 wrote:

It is highly unlikely the devs want to split the population of their game. I explained what would happen based on the version of instanced they could choose. It would be nice if people would actually read the posts they are quoting.

I really need to prove that their is a large market for people that play ARPG's that have access to money and are not casuals? D2, and D3 is not a large enough market to steal from?

I also never used the term "hardcores".

Leagues already split the population.
Given how shallow the character options are, I would say D3 is casual.
You didn't need to.