"Randomization" of the levels?

I have been playing with a few characters in the 1-9 level areas thus far. I have not noticed any apparent randomizing of the level layouts at all... I was wondering if that is going to be part of the replayability scheme of the game when released or not?

Nope. There is really low randomization in PoE levels/maps (especially outdoors) atm.

Caves/dungeons are are 'ok' but nothing spectacular. Outdoor maps just looks like predefined and no randomizaed at all mostly because they have always the same layout (its stupid btw - especially in Act 2). This must change. I think that i notice some new layouts recently (first forest area in Act2?) so maybe devs are up to something here.
Some maps are also somewhat randomized (Terraces for example) and some are not at all (Tidal Island, Fetid Pool, Mud Flats, Crossroads form Act2, etc... 9/10 maps fits here).

Maybe Act 3 change something in this matter.

PS. Monster randomization also is non existant. Monsters types are 100% predefined and always the same per map type. No variety here per run/playthrough.

Also there is no "hidden footprints" (lol j/k).... hidden things and rooms with treasure (like in torchlight for example), no random ecounters that may or may not spawn, etc...

Basically - randomization (besides gear system) is not strong side of PoE atm.

Overall my advices:

- one random monster type with low spawn chance per area (five packs per map max for example if the spawn roll is positive)

- randomized map layouts (borders).

and game will get +100% to replayability.

There is more randomization than you're giving credit for, Kabraxis. A lot more, actually.

It's true that each area has a limited number of topologies. They define the general shapes the area can have, but the tiles placed within are random. Even the side areas like Fetid Pool have a lot of randomization, although it's one of the areas that's built around a specific feature (the pool). Given the quest there, I think it's a good thing that it keeps a shape that's rather easy to explore.

Crossroads is the same way -- its's built around the intersection of the roads and has certain guaranteed features like the cliffs to the northwest and the ruins to the southeast that fit thematically to transition to other areas. Still, what's in between all of that is random.

Monsters also fit thematically. Each area has monsters that make sense for that area. Almost all areas have at least 3-4 different monsters.

Yes, level randomization is a feature meant to encourage replayability. The devs have stated that, and it's something they've continued to improve throughout the beta.

I agree that there is a fair bit of randomisation to maps in this game, at least in most areas. Certainly a lot more than Diablo 3.

However it is always good to keep improving, and add more randomisation to areas. I don't see any reason for the devs to say 'yep it's fine' just yet.

Have a look at this for your randomization

Path of Exile - Random Level Generation Presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcM9Ynfzll0&feature=relmfu

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

There is more randomization than you're giving credit for, Kabraxis. A lot more, actually.

No there is not. Your post is a fanboy joke, especially with sentences like 'even Fetid Poll has lot of randomization' when in fact Fetid Pool looks always the same, has always the same two monster types and always the same miniboss that is always in the same place. Yea.. lot of randomization. The rest of outdoor areas are the same btw with biggets example - Crossroads.

Just stop spreading propaganda. Moderators on this forums are such a fanboys.

Randomization in Poe is not so good. Deal with it. Its maybe good on paper and in promotional video but in game/ Every playthrough is exacly the same bacause most zones are always squareish (with dofferent trees layout) and the is nothing random (except maybe bandit bosses position - but not in all cases), unique (oh randomizaed tree position! how sweet!) or hidden in areas (that i dont see first time etc..)

Both Torchlight 1 and Diablo 2 are better at randomization of levels than PoE. I dont care about D3 because its not even a good HnS.
But if you want superb randomization just play Torchlight 2 beta. This is randomization.


PS. Im SICK of this forums btw. Every topic with feedback and valid complaitns with ideas and solututions have a Forum Moderator in 5 mins that will correct OP or other posters and defend the game. Just stop this. Im beta member since 0.9.1. I play many hours of PoE. I know what im talking about and i dont want to be corrected in each topic by fanboy that si telling me "you are wrong, you dont have right to complain its a beta and its on beta manifesto (that i read couple times BTW), devs are trying to fix this, GGG is my life mentor, yada, yada, yada....
Its so common on this forum, its hilarious because we are in beta section and mods are behave like in commercial section. Are you payed or smth to spread this bull***?

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Kabraxis wrote:

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

There is more randomization than you're giving credit for, Kabraxis. A lot more, actually.

No there is not. Your post is a fanboy joke, especially with sentences like 'even Fetid Poll has lot of randomization' when in fact Fetid Pool looks always the same, has always the same two monster types and always the same miniboss that is always in the same place. Yea.. lot of randomization. The rest of outdoor areas are the same btw with biggets example - Crossroads.

Just stop spreading propaganda. Moderators on this forums are such a fanboys.

Randomization in Poe is not so good. Deal with it. Its maybe good on paper and in promotional video but in game/ Every playthrough is exacly the same bacause most zones are always squareish (with dofferent trees layout) and the is nothing random (except maybe bandit bosses position - but not in all cases), unique (oh randomizaed tree position! how sweet!) or hidden in areas (that i dont see first time etc..)

Both Torchlight 1 and Diablo 2 are better at randomization of levels than PoE. I dont care about D3 because its not even a good HnS.
But if you want superb randomization just play Torchlight 2 beta. This is randomization.


PS. Im SICK of this forums btw. Every topic with feedback and valid complaitns with ideas and solututions have a Forum Moderator in 5 mins that will correct OP or other posters and defend the game. Just stop this. Im beta member since 0.9.1. I play many hours of PoE. I know what im talking about and i dont want to be corrected in each topic by fanboy that si telling me "you are wrong, you dont have right to complain its a beta and its on beta manifesto (that i read couple times BTW), devs are trying to fix this, GGG is my life mentor, yada, yada, yada....
Its so common on this forum, its hilarious because we are in beta section and mods are behave like in commercial section. Are you payed or smth to spread this bull***?

You know what you're talking about and devs don't? What kind of elitist crap is this? Why do people that defend something have to be considered "fan boys?" What does that even mean, you enjoy playing the game? You act like it's wrong to love a game and defend it, which is pure bigotry. There are plenty of useful feedback threads where people agree on issues, and there are plenty where they disagree. How about keeping your ego in check so you don't sound like a douche on an online forum?

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Kabraxis wrote:

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

There is more randomization than you're giving credit for, Kabraxis. A lot more, actually.

No there is not. Your post is a fanboy joke...

Just stop spreading propaganda. Moderators on this forums are such a fanboys.

PS. Im SICK of this forums btw. Every topic with feedback and valid complaitns with ideas and solututions have a Forum Moderator in 5 mins that will correct OP or other posters and defend the game. Just stop this. Im beta member since 0.9.1. I play many hours of PoE. I know what im talking about and i dont want to be corrected in each topic by fanboy that si telling me "you are wrong, you dont have right to complain its a beta and its on beta manifesto (that i read couple times BTW), devs are trying to fix this, GGG is my life mentor, yada, yada, yada....
Its so common on this forum, its hilarious because we are in beta section and mods are behave like in commercial section. Are you payed or smth to spread this bull***?

I bolded an important word. Correcting misconceptions or blatantly false information isn't being a fanboy. It's being a helpful community member who wants to inform other members. Tons of community members do this often.

Complaints are perfectly fine, but anyone posting a complaint should be prepared to hear differing opinions on the matter. He should also be prepared to have clarifying information given in the event that he has posted a complaint based on a lack of information or a misunderstanding of purpose or direction.

Also, what's wrong with telling someone that the devs are already aware of an issue? That's a silly thing to get upset about. If the devs are already working on something, especially if there is a Beta Manifesto post about it, why should we not inform someone who suggests the same thing? That doesn't make any sense.

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

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Kabraxis wrote:

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

There is more randomization than you're giving credit for, Kabraxis. A lot more, actually.

No there is not. Your post is a fanboy joke...

Just stop spreading propaganda. Moderators on this forums are such a fanboys.

PS. Im SICK of this forums btw. Every topic with feedback and valid complaitns with ideas and solututions have a Forum Moderator in 5 mins that will correct OP or other posters and defend the game. Just stop this. Im beta member since 0.9.1. I play many hours of PoE. I know what im talking about and i dont want to be corrected in each topic by fanboy that si telling me "you are wrong, you dont have right to complain its a beta and its on beta manifesto (that i read couple times BTW), devs are trying to fix this, GGG is my life mentor, yada, yada, yada....
Its so common on this forum, its hilarious because we are in beta section and mods are behave like in commercial section. Are you payed or smth to spread this bull***?

I bolded an important word. Correcting misconceptions or blatantly false information isn't being a fanboy. It's being a helpful community member who wants to inform other members. Tons of community members do this often.

Complaints are perfectly fine, but anyone posting a complaint should be prepared to hear differing opinions on the matter. He should also be prepared to have clarifying information given in the event that he has posted a complaint based on a lack of information or a misunderstanding of purpose or direction.

Also, what's wrong with telling someone that the devs are already aware of an issue? That's a silly thing to get upset about. If the devs are already working on something, especially if there is a Beta Manifesto post about it, why should we not inform someone who suggests the same thing? That doesn't make any sense.

In regards to the beta manifesto, I understand that the devs are quite busy working towards open beta. But when 1/2 of the beta manifesto has not been updated in 5 months many people feel that perhaps several of the issues may have fallen off the devs radar due to possible tunnel vision focused on pushing out the new act 3 content.

Looks like some people are starting to feel/perceive entitlement, and subsequent "ownership" of this game. Hence they start to exert pressure on GGG to tweak their vision to the perverted vision of the complaimant. Or else wa wa wa.

Similar to what happened in TOG aka D3. Mismanagement of this misguided perception of entitlement and can lead to unrealistic expectations and subsequent bad PR.

I'm afraid I have to stake an opposing opinion and state that because I often get lost by exploring, gee, I think its too random. But I like exploring! I also get lost in D1 and D2.

Limited tileset? D3 also has a limited tile set.

I wish I have a solution to expectations management. GGG are already doing a fantastic job with transparency. You can never satisfy everyone.