"Its time to ban streamers using exploits" thread removed
" The money making potential in having a number skewed streamer client is considerable. It's not a consideration of "why would they" but instead, "why wouldn't they". |
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" Because some hot head probably violated rules, probably name and shame... Or maybe a horde did it and it was simpler for moderators to hit the whole thread... That's just speculation... They have to avoid legal risks you know |
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" Personal I never agreed with not shame&name people who violate rules/moral. Not to shame&name them is like an indirect agreement "shhh, we didn't see anything, we didn't hear anything, nothing ever went wrong, go on". They had been fully aware what they did, they did it anyway, now they should life with the consequences! Including shame&name. I mean how else should they know if they don't get called for it? As far as I know in Japan there are laws which make even reporting about companies that a proven to violate laws a crime. Aka you are not allowed to talk bad about Sony, Nintendo or Toyota for example as "it might harm their reputation". Aka criminals are protected while victims get punished. Soooooooo freaking WRONG! Yea, never agreed with this behavior and will never in any possible future! Badies must be called out for being badies! Last edited by Schakar#4083 on Dec 31, 2025, 10:43:16 AM
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Because streamers are more important than you to GGG. Welcome to the real world
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" Please keep in mind that: - I was not endorsing the practice or taking an active position if I am against or not. - I was just expressing what it felt like to me. I don't believe that there was an intention to supress anything, just to enforce community standards, and I was active in threads that were removed and many people went over the line. I don't see the need of witch-hunts against the polemical streamer, neither people should target it. It's not a personal issue against him as an individual, he just happen to highlight a huge vulnerability from a point of governance, and there's where GGG has to act to protect their product and investors. This would be in my opinion in the form of: - more transparency on what is an exploit and what isn't, not generic mambo Jambo like 'spirit of the game', this has very legal value and only creates ambiguity that rages the community - what triggers sanctions like bans, etc... Once more ambiguity isn't the way, this needs to be objective. - who are the streamers partnered/sponsored or endorsed by GGG, and as a fruit or this connection, what standards should they uphold. This is what they need to sort out... To avoid situations like this. Not being able to protect their product, to avoid community outrage and to provide a transparent environment where conspiracy theories don't thrive. This is my personal opinion and I have no tire to GGG, their investors or the polemical streamer which I described in another threads using Escape from Tarkov slang/stereotyping as a 'rat'. This is not as hominem, it's just a cultural stereotype that defines a behaviour pattern widely recognized in gaming communities. |
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@Scaeva I absolutely get where the "no name calling" comes from and it has it's point to prevent "false accuse" or "false positive". And to prevent harassment of individuals.
On the other hand all Streamers are by definition "well known persons of public interest" (public interest in this case limited to PoE community of course, still several million people). Anything they do can be publicly seen via life stream or VoD. Pretty much like celebrities they "want to be known" as they earn real money by this simple fact. PS: that's the price Streamers pay for doing this job. Earn real money, being publicly praised but at the same time being publicly criticized. There is a big difference between name calling you or me or any "nobody" and name calling any streamer. Even between name calling tiny <10 viewer streamers and streamers with 1000> viewers there is a immense difference. Atm we all talk about later. Streamers with easily 1000++ viewer counts. Well known names all of them. People everyone can without any problem cross-check hours of VoDs. "Celebrities of PoE" if you want :). To forbid to call their names is like forbid to talk about Paris Hilton or Arnold Schwarzenegger. As long as it comes to their work! Private stuff must stay privet of course! In this case the VoD in question is public available work related stuff made by Fobgun he himself published. Same for all other involved streamers equal if Streamed or VoD content. In addition to allow positive talk about Streamer or Vods but to forbid critical talk about them? Either both or non! If we are not allowed to criticizes them we shouldn't be allowed to praise them too ... but THEY wanted to be praised. So THEY have to live with critic too! Else bye bye any talk about for example ZiggyDs interviews with GGG or videos about upcoming stuff. Very well done work I hope most of us can agree to be professional and entertaining to watch :). /irony on Ups, sorry GGG, name called ZiggyD, my bade, please don't ban me ... /irony off. (PPS; sorry for "abusing" your name here @ZiggyD.) Very very simple. I will NEVER agree the Japanese way where critic is a crime!! Last edited by Schakar#4083 on Dec 31, 2025, 1:12:10 PM
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" While I believe that the mods were acting about code of conduct at least one of threads was very volatile. Being honest and since my message didn't passed through, if they are trying to cover anything and going beyond sanitizing, that thing would be covering a massive systemic fault from their part. Given the community outrage, that would be most likely a two tiered action differentiating a normal player from a streamer with a different set of rules. But this is hard to prove as no one has been banned, only future bans based on economy based exploitation can give it meaning. Not acting now and acting in the future against exploitation will create a huge problem for them and their parent company. This is the position they are placing themselves by not taking action now and living from a system of perpetual ambiguity without clear rules as exploitation of game mechanics go. Looking at your supporter packs, this impacts people like you which are heavy commited users and (probably) demand high transparency rules and not ambiguity that devalues their time/money investment. I am just a small fish in the pond, but I am also on your side if your side is the one of protecting your time/money investment. For me this is a corporate crisis more than a simple matter of a streamer streaming what is considered by a large chunk of the community as an economy breaking exploit. If tencent were to browse those threads huge red flags would raise. |
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" Absolute agree with most of this except for the money I spend. Don't care, had many hours of fun of this "investment". Isn't the only game I spend a lot of money for and there are other I really regret. But over all old-GGG, PoE1 and PoE2 gave me many nice hours with my real friends :). And I'm a tiny fish too, maybe medium *g*. Always felled fine to support GGG back when they had been truly independent. Didn't bought anything since they sold their souls. Might be part of the problem as we do not know how much of this hiding is up on GGG or maybe enforced by Tencent (still don't trust them, shady Giga-Corp after all)). /irony on ups, talked bad about big mama, (not really) sorry, please no ban /irony off. Rules must be clear and be in place for everybody. Maybe even more for people with big audience then for a single SSF player who does not stream. I don't see it as a "crisis" but more of an opportunity. If there isn't any STRONG stance about behavior like this until now it's the perfect time to establish one! "sorry, we will not punish it THIS TIME as our rules had not been clear enough BUT from now on we ....... and if it happens again we WILL TAKE ACTIONS". Would be fine to me. Last edited by Schakar#4083 on Dec 31, 2025, 3:00:27 PM
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" I'd say we are on the same page here, except I don't see that the issue here is Temcent. Still in the field of speculation and conspiracy theory, it's far more credible that the thread was deleted to prevent it to be seen by Temcent if they pick up on the noise, than to protect the streamer. Fubgrub is a nobody to people like Temcent. His 250K followers mean nothing if he threatens directly a 10 billion gaming empire. Like someone said previously on another thread, he would go back to McDonalds. He would loose all his sponsors, etc. About game investment... I am not the hardcore player of PoE. I played 2 months of settlers. Then picked up on poe2 where I have 1600 hours. I liked Keepers challenge mtx and decided make a try for hit. It was easy, I only had to get help for 'the feared' or whatever its called. I don't put money on this because it's not my power phantasy, I don't look for walking neon billboard looks... Now if they had some really cool medieval looking armour, like Templar Knights or Teutonic Order knights, that would be something that interests me... Also a mtx to turn the Rhoa prehistoric chicken into a horse, a sort of war destrier... That would be awesome for me 🤣 I don't hand money out of sympathy, it has to have value, and the 80euros I spent was value in the form of stash tabs. I help the game by introducing the liquidity factor in the economy, I buy and sell, this allows a bridge with low tier players and top tier depending on what I am purchasing or selling. Everyone is important on a healthy economy. This situation destroyed the status quo. 🤣 Let's hope GGG improves and does the right thing... For me this league died. Given how fun Keepers was, I am waiting for new PoE1 league. But players complaining actually have power too... All those div's from the exploit are useless if there's no liquidity on the market. This is nobody's strongest weapon if they understand how an economy works 😈 I am sure it would be fun farming thousands of divines and the market looses liquidity... What are they worth then? ⚖️💯⚖️ |
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" I'm not part of Fubgun's fanbase, but the fault here isn't with Fubgun. The game is still in early access, so bugs are inevitable. You can't arrest people for collecting money when an ATM malfunctions and spills cash. The problem lies with the development team; anything not properly tested is bound to break. Blaming others is always easy. Making Fubgun pay for the lack of GGG (Game-Changing Game) doesn't make sense to me either, sorry. |
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