Perma ban the streamers promoting exploits

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SilverWF#6383 wrote:

Why should him be banned?

A lot of speculation on this post, as a player I dont have access to certain documentation, and I am a layman on legal terms. This is not legal advice in any way, just a common sense interpretation from my own perspective mixed with a few factors.


1. Assuming he is a parter/sponsored or endorsed as streamer by GGG:
- "Jonathan just called me, they are rolling back the entire league" (not ipsis verbis, a word might be missing, but it was basically this). This alone shows a huge lack of respect for the community, specially players that played legit or players that invested significant time. Any player with time invested on PoE2 is a stakeholder on PoE2. Apparently Jonathan was named by name, this is a very serious thing, even if playing around. Shows lack of respect, and if there is indeed a connection to GGG like partner/sponsored or endorsed, this shows a terrible lack of professionalism (this is really juvenile). I wont post the clip, because that could infringe the terms of usage and be removed, but I am sure everyone knows the clip for sure and I can provide it by private link to GGG if they want. This was done in front of an audience of thousands of people.

- There was no official notice from GGG if it was a mechanic, a bug, a exploit, a fringe feature, whatever you might call it, neither in favor or against. This means that it was a grey area. Publicly show casing it and if could lead to future bans, he was placing people's account on the line (read above this is considering if there is indeed a partner/sponsorship or endorsement by GGG to him as a streamer, ambiguity is key here, no one knows). This is very irresponsible behavior in this context.

- Assuming again there is a relation of partner/sponsorship or endorsement: this could trigger another issue if bans were later given to players and not to him: this would create a two tier status, where it could harm directly GGG or their parent company, either finatially or by reputation. We dont know how Sony and Microsoft contracts are with GGG, but I assume they would not to have their users which have a much higher average spending rate than steam and they are aware that their users value a closed echosystem specially because of exploiting/cheating/regulation, compared to the general PC market that is chaotic. It would be fair to assume that in their contract there is something aboiut equality and that their users are not here to be farmed, mistreated, etc. This could lead to problems if such clauses exist in contracts that could impact finantially and by reputation GGG, by extension their parent company.

- The previous, doesnt make of him a competitive advantage, they make of him a toxic asset.



2. Assuming he is an independent streamer:
- Lack of professionalism by calling by name the Game director and endorsing a possible league rollback. It's easy to assume a lot of his audience isnt native english speakers and could perceive beyond a simple joke. He should be backlisted for any future partner/sponsorship or endorsement. This action alone, cause chaos, can trigger market manipulation, misleading advice, etc. Since GGG is so proud of its player driven economy, this heavily erodes brand.



There is a lot more, but I am tired of writting... Yes in my opinion he should be banned, alongside everyone which abused the exploit mainly because there was, and there isnt at the moment a single statement from GGG saying it was allowed. Common sense (because it was patched) tells ME that it was indeed an exploit as it wasnt intended behavior.

Have you ever thinked on this? I guess not, otherwise you wouldnt asked for it... This is a good post for GGG Legal and their parent company look at, they have the legal insight and the correct data to see if this assumption from my part (which is not legal advice) makes sense or not.

Even if nothing is to happen, which is what I think is the way... If he is a partner/sposored or endorsed by, that status should be removed as sanction and as an example for all of those who take their public performance as a joke without considering the sensibility of the community honest playes, the studio reputation and the excelent world class tech and entertainment that Path of Exile 2 provides. His online behavior was the worst form of disrespect to the commitment and sacrifice of the developers, in my humble opinion.

Remember when Empyrian and his gang got banned for whole league for stepping out of the ritual circle ? He even reported the bug but still got yeeted.


Good times.




1. Failure of leadership - why make new leagues during 1 month xmas break ? is GGG broke so they can't even afford 1 dev to stop all the exploiters ?


2. GGG needs to stop giving a fuck about all those POE1 streamers. They need to stop balancing their game around people who play this game for a living and need to punish them accordingly for their behaviour.

Jealousy is a crazy thing.

Most if not all current PoE/2 Streamers play long anough to exactly know if something might be intended or not!

And as this isn't the first time zone-reset is used to exploid a game mechanic
and GGG clearly statted then and now "this is NOT intended"
but no matter some of them absused it to generate clicks/viewer

they absolutly should be punished for this behavior!!


The correct way to handle stuff like this is fill silent bug-reports (yes, many of them do have direct connections to GGG! ZiggyD, Zizzeran, Ghazzy, DM. There are more then enough who do have. Would be super easy for any other big streamer to contact one of them to initiate an emergency connection).
The worst way to handle it is to actual broadcast it by creating videos about how to do it.

Anything they now argue about this is nothing but shamefull "damage control". Espezialy streamers like Fobgun know their comunity WILL exploid the hell of stuff like this and they WILL do anything to boost their own profit without any second thought.
In germany there is a phrase: "ich mach was ich will nach mir der Weltuntergang".
That's what Fubgun did all for his damn clicks!

The fixed location might have been an not intended oversight.
Anything after is EXPLOIDING and must be punished accordingly!

Delete any currency generated by this. And best just wipe the hole inventory of anyone who was involved in it!

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scaeva_#9735 wrote:

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- There was no official notice from GGG if it was a mechanic, a bug, a exploit, a fringe feature, whatever you might call it, neither in favor or against.

Exactly.

Until GGG would made a bold statement about this - this is mech.
GGG are in charge for this, not loudmouth Karens.

If they gonna say it were an exploit - ok, so be it, but I doubt anyone would be banned or something would be rolled back anyway.

Why?

Because then they would return from holidays (in 2 weeks?) it would be pretty much impossible to find any footsteps of who, what, where and why.

I mean just go play SSF HC i guess, i really played trade league a lot over the years but come next league i really don't wanna fucking bother with this bs anymore. All i am waiting for is some decent crafting league to combine with abyss league and get on with that instead. GGG will not do shit especially to streamers that play their game. At most it will be a mildly worded mention of it after it's fixed and maybe a note in the patch notes and that's it. Me you and everyone here in the forums if you haven't noticed, aren't significant at all in the grand scheme of things. It used to be i guess back in the day but this is a void everyone is screaming towards. The faster people figure that out the faster we can stop wasting our time here or we can just banter instead. I doubt any of the devs even give a passing glance to this forum.

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Remsleeprem#2330 wrote:

I mean just go play SSF HC i guess, i really played trade league a lot over the years but come next league i really don't wanna fucking bother with this bs anymore. All i am waiting for is some decent crafting league to combine with abyss league and get on with that instead. GGG will not do shit especially to streamers that play their game. At most it will be a mildly worded mention of it after it's fixed and maybe a note in the patch notes and that's it. Me you and everyone here in the forums if you haven't noticed, aren't significant at all in the grand scheme of things. It used to be i guess back in the day but this is a void everyone is screaming towards. The faster people figure that out the faster we can stop wasting our time here or we can just banter instead. I doubt any of the devs even give a passing glance to this forum.

LOL the devs deleted the last thread, they dont want people talking about this lol

And i you talk about it or call any of the streamers out in their chats they are outright banning people for even calling them out lol

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SilverWF#6383 wrote:

Because then they would return from holidays (in 2 weeks?) it would be pretty much impossible to find any footsteps of who, what, where and why.

I'm pritty sure GGG can track anything back up on the start of the league if not further.

But yea, damage is done. Maybe then can find a solution to decimate the amount of exe/chaos/div in anyway. As currently anyone who wasn't involved is simply out-of-buisnes. Even craft items like Essenzes now start to scyrock as noone can afford to buy items anymore and they start challinging their craft luck.

And as usual sculpers jumping onto the train too flipping the mats even more :(. Rats attract more Rats.

100% AGREED