DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST BUFFED DEADEYE AND NOT WARRIORS?

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Jgizle#5723 wrote:

Apparently melee BIS gear, and ES BIS gear, have same amount of damage reduction effectiveness, according to Jonathan and Mark during interview. As such in their eyes, they are saying Armor and ES are literally the same.

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UnholyKirin#7925 wrote:

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Jgizle#5723 wrote:

Apparently melee BIS gear, and ES BIS gear, have same amount of damage reduction effectiveness, according to Jonathan and Mark during interview. As such in their eyes, they are saying Armor and ES are literally the same.

this only shows that they are not playing the game at same levels as we do and as much as we do .
es is top es+eva is second the rest is barely working

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Aurosh85#7838 wrote:

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UnholyKirin#7925 wrote:

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Jgizle#5723 wrote:

Apparently melee BIS gear, and ES BIS gear, have same amount of damage reduction effectiveness, according to Jonathan and Mark during interview. As such in their eyes, they are saying Armor and ES are literally the same.

this only shows that they are not playing the game at same levels as we do and as much as we do .
es is top es+eva is second the rest is barely working

ES has no damage reduction, you rely on killing stuff really fast and ES is to prevent the oneshots etc.

Evasion+ES has both. And Evasion is quize useful at decent amounts.

You can have 10k Evasion and have a lot of damage mitigation. Where as Armour is dog shit at 10k in endgame.

Thats why Evasion+ES feels sooo good and armour so bad.

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Jgizle#5723 wrote:

10k armor is not even a lot. Armor is only allowed to mitigate 1/5th of its total value in damage.

A player with 4k life needs over 20k armor to survive a one shot of 4k damage. That is excluding crits, and being cursed. Armor has 0 effect on damage over time, even physical damage over time like bleed, unless they changed that in PoE 2.

The thing is there are many enemies that are not bosses that have skills or attacks with 4k+ base damage. That doesn't even include damage scaling, crits, auras, affixes, etc. Many of these enemies in PoE1 are likely the individual enemies you die to most frequently.

If it was PoE 1 and you had tons of mirrors, you could achieve, at least in standard, 1.5 Billion armor. At that point armor is great, as I dont think any enemy can do over 300 Million damage in a single hit, and converting armor to work on ele damage.

However armor mitigation also works the opposite of PoE 1 now with the elemental damage reduction from armor affixes, which makes armor even worse.

Clearly the best defense for melee is no defense at all. You cant die if you never get hit, or kill everything before it can kill you.

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Jgizle#5723 wrote:

Apparently melee BIS gear, and ES BIS gear, have same amount of damage reduction effectiveness, according to Jonathan and Mark during interview. As such in their eyes, they are saying Armor and ES are literally the same.
10k armor is not even a lot. Armor is only allowed to mitigate 1/5th of its total value in damage.

A player with 4k life needs over 20k armor to survive a one shot of 4k damage. That is excluding crits, and being cursed. Armor has 0 effect on damage over time, even physical damage over time like bleed, unless they changed that in PoE 2.

The thing is there are many enemies that are not bosses that have skills or attacks with 4k+ base damage. That doesn't even include damage scaling, crits, auras, affixes, etc. Many of these enemies in PoE1 are likely the individual enemies you die to most frequently.

If it was PoE 1 and you had tons of mirrors, you could achieve, at least in standard, 1.5 Billion armor. At that point armor is great, as I dont think any enemy can do over 300 Million damage in a single hit, and converting armor to work on ele damage.

However armor mitigation also works the opposite of PoE 1 now with the elemental damage reduction from armor affixes, which makes armor even worse.

Clearly the best defense for melee is no defense at all. You cant die if you never get hit, or kill everything before it can kill you.

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Jgizle#5723 wrote:

Its a little odd. People think armor is supposed to mitigate large hits so you don't get one shot, however it was never intended to do that, and that is why the formula is the way it is currently. It has always been intended to only mitigate small hits.

Why is this?

Because then it would be easily achievable to make a character that literally can never die. The devs have always been against you being able to trivialize content with low effort. Its ok if you spend mirrors to trivialize stuff, its not ok if you can do so on the cheap.

You see this in their dev interviews, the games design, every patch, etc. They don't want melee to be tanky. They want you to be able to die, and they don't want red attacks to be the only possible way to kill you, because they can only do red attacks so frequently.

In PoE its far too late to fix these issues. Its why PoE 1 is so bloated and filled with bad decisions. They cant undo or nerf the things they have always wanted to nerf, because players will cry.

PoE 2 is largely going in the direction of what PoE 1 would be like if they got to do all the changes and nerfs they have wanted over the last decade.

Unfortunately we still do not have the full picture. Melee will look a lot different when the 2H Axe and 2H sword comes, along with their passives in tree, their skills, the classes and ascendancies their attached too, their items, etc etc. There are still very important things to melee not in the game that are on other classes. Melee also has one of the worst weapons to use for DPS, Maces, which have always been meant to be slow, low dps, but hit damage per hit, or lots of stun, or CC like freeze. Even sometimes bleed or poison.

Im sure by time everything gets added, melee will be in a lot better place, and ill likely be playing cyclone forever if they dont butcher it. We will see. People are still missing 50% of what makes these patch notes good or bad. The passives, the items, the new affixes, the league stuff, and how much better crafting will be when you can guarantee all high tier mods, and essence changes. The sanctified addition buffs all characters offense and defense by up to 25%. Being able to reuse supports inherently also boosts everyones offense and defense by some value. Nerfs need to be made to account for these additions, and the additions we dont know are being added.

We will see over the weekend whats actually changed.

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Psych6demon#1531 wrote:

I dunno why y'all keep acting like warrior sucks, i mean, i've made every character by now and one of my strongest characters is my STR Stacker Smith of Kitava SSF with mace + crossbow.

I've died only 6 times on that character, and 5 of those were in the campaign. I make maps that has almost all mechanics in it and i just run thru the map doing breach while delirious, starting rituals while delirious and so on...

Rares, i break their armour with one hit and put them to rest with HVR Crossbow, i melt them like they're nothing.

And to be honest, crossbow interactions with melee skills is actually quite broken with lots of desyncs when you try to attack melee during reload, but still, i've made it thru lots of maps without dying on SSF with average gear.

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2836742981#3689 wrote:

You need to relax dude, it's not a buff some people see it as a nerf which I think it is.

Also, you have no idea what 100+ new passive skills and keystones are in the new passives so warriors could end up with a buff when you look at other skills.

Take a chill pill and play the game before you rage.