I feel like being led by GGG with Asynchronous Trading and it seems nothing like promised?

Look at what they say in the poe2 0.3 announcement video to trading. https://youtu.be/xIhIXv9b7Qo?si=DgYYQ2I9Sm3klXXn&t=3581 .
They are hyping it as the fix to the many problems we encounter during trade and even showing the example of afk people or people trying to haggle. You cant imagine how this hyped me up. Ive never felt so listened to and validated. Also in many QnA(also the most recent one) they talk about how frustrating trading is and that their own experience was a big motivator to fix it.

Now ive found out how this asynchronous trading really works and im just baffled. Please someone preferably staff make it sense to me why it works this way.

Most people use dump tabs to sell items, especially quad tabs, with a big factor being that fair pricing is basicly made possible with that. You put items in a big tab and tick the price tab wide down until they are bought.

With that in mind how cant we get tab wide pricing in the merchant tabs and also cant convert our quad tabs to merchant tabs? If people cant use their already bought tabs(many people including me exclusively bought quad tabs) and also cant use dump tabs in the merchant, they will just use the old system with all the problems it brings. The problems with the old trade system is mostly for lower value items which will still be in dump tabs then. That fixes nothing. That decision incomprehensible to me.

One point i would get is if GGG really dislikes dump tabs and wants us to look at our items and be excited when sth good drops. Though id say thats just incompatible with the tab system they already sold(many people spend a lot of money for that) and cant remove.

This is not a bashing post i love most of what ggg does. The announcement and QnA really hyped me up. But i just cant understand that part and it makes me almost feel lied to and sad.

I'm 1,000% on board with forcing individual pricing to stop exactly this behavior.

I can see both sides here.

Personally I prefer to not have "dump tab trading" and I think GGG does aswell.

OP however brings up a good point, that is dump tabs are made mostly for stuff that's not worth alot. It's thrown in to get a couple of exalts and it's not worth researching the value for each item.

Trading those items is a hassle and most of the people that use this method are the ones that don't respond when u want to buy something. They don't want to leave their map for a 1-5ex trade, which is exactly where the instant buyout would shine.

So with the new system, this behaviour won't change. It's either they have to do the same thing, dump tabs with whisper based trading or the items will never be listed in the first place, which means way less stuff to buy. One could say it doesn't matter if the guy selling doesn't respond anyway, but that's exactly what the merchant system wants to fix.

I'd say for the greater good, let people set prices on tabs with the merchant system. Maybe it's a technical limitation right now and they will implement it later.

You can still use the other system if you want to use that dump tab stuff.

I understand that i can just use the other system and thats exactly the problem iam talking about. If im and many other just end up using the old trading(i actually dont have much choice as i cant convert my quad tabs) the new trading cant land properly and also cant be tested. https://youtu.be/KTLe8bHNuQ4?si=oCoCpHqey-CdKXme&t=3561 listen to them talk about the new trading in the QnA. They making it sound like it should replace the trading system that is in place right now. But the way they are talking about it, isnt gonna happen if they dont allow tab wide pricing and also dont allow quad tab conversion. They talk about how gold should now be the only friction but they are doing other heavy friction stuff, like handpricing every single item, again. How should i even participate in this new system if i cant have dump tabs there, furthermore quad tabs.

Pretty fair points, I dindnt think about some of those.

Hope they get this feedback.

All perfectly good suggestions on how to improve the system.

But honestly getting hysterical because the system isn't 100% perfect (before you've ever even used it) is a bit silly.

90% of the battle was them acknowledging this was an issue and creating a framework to fix it, which they've done. Now there's a foundation improvements like the ones you've suggested can be considered and added.

I'm mostly turned off off their asynchronous trade just by having to convert old tabs or buy new tabs to use. But at least afaik the regular premium stash tab functionality will still be there, and I imagine there will be action there even if it's not as much as through async.

I think the degen behavior the devs wanted to combat was people using their dump-tabs to price-check their items by underselling them to see what popped so they could then jack up the price. They additionally were personally just getting too old and tired to deal w/ afk players or people busy mapping in parties or whatever. I don't think they expressed any issue with pricing items into the market by dropping prices on dump tabs to find the market price.

I would at least like to see tab-wide pricing instead of having to individually as an option. But I guess it also might have been an intentional design choice by the Devs to disincentivize degen market tactics if they do, in fact, consider that type of market pricing to be an issue as well. Though I don't really see how it really makes a difference since it doesn't cost you anything to list/re-list and it at least gives more items a chance to sell rather than getting trashed instantly.

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vexorian#9572 wrote:

You can still use the other system if you want to use that dump tab stuff.

the issue is that by having both systems, the trade website will still show valuable items that are listed for 1 ex.

Hopefully on the website, youll be able to filter out premium tabs from market ones.

If this is the case, i expect 99% of the people to ignore the old premium stash tabs - because they are essentially used almost exclusively to scam people.

Yeah this degen 1 ex dump tab mentality was mentioned by them also as a big motivator for asnychronous trading. But now that i think about it, it will actually be made worse now without the ability to make dump tabs in the merchant tabs. People will make 1 ex(just a random number) dump tabs in synchronous trade and only price check the ones getting pinged and then sell them in merchant tabs. Oh the horror. We really need dump tabs with instant buyout.