current IIR = old IIQ. Why not IIR = equipable items, and inc. gold => Increased Currency Rarity

right now IIR applies to everything, while increased gold is a literal downside.

this change will make both useful and players will have a way to choose what they want/need.
(gold could drop in 'piles'- bigger piles from increased rarity)

It would be even logical to bin gold with other currencies.


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IIR and Currency Rarity could be exclusive on maps ( one or the other), maybe same mod but 2 diff tiers? and it would be nice way to either hunt for items or orbs.

Yeah because forcing players to roll IIR+IIQ on their gear/map is not enough, let's also add gold to that equation.

Both are antiquated and should be removed from the game. Come up with something inventive, or stop calling this a sequel, because for now it is copying _every single_ poe1 mechanic.

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arandan#3174 wrote:

Yeah because forcing players to roll IIR+IIQ on their gear/map is not enough, let's also add gold to that equation.

Both are antiquated and should be removed from the game. Come up with something inventive, or stop calling this a sequel, because for now it is copying _every single_ poe1 mechanic.

I don't think poe1 came up with concept of MF on gear. And i highly doubt its going away.

the whole point is that IIR is so strong that players feel 'forced' to get it, just like old IIQ was- which was removed for that exact reason. So splitting IIR bonus would weaken the 'need' for it, will bring up 'currency find' which was intended as a positive stat, which is not how it feels rn.

Nowhere did I claim that they came up with it, I simply pointed out that the whole loot system is a rehash of poe1.

Splitting loot/currency between those two stats would only amplify the underlying issue.

You'd still need to target IIR on gear for t0 uniques and you'd be forced to target one more prefix on waystones/tablets. No inc gold? - vendor - how does that improve the 'system'?

I think there have been massive improvements over poe1 loot system. not sure why you expected it to be something completely diff tho

and again, you are never 'forced' to get IIR nor IIQ, you only feel that way because its so strong. I'm not sure how I can rephrase what I already wrote without repeating myself

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

I think there have been massive improvements over poe1 loot system. not sure why you expected it to be something completely diff tho

Because I expect good developers to innovate, not rest on their laurels.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

and again, you are never 'forced' to get IIR nor IIQ, you only feel that way because its so strong. I'm not sure how I can rephrase what I already wrote without repeating myself

Well, using that logic you're never 'forced' to optimise anything. It becomes a bit of a nonsensical argument when you consider that the whole endgame is centred around character/loot optimisation.

Had the difference in map yield between 0/0 iir/iiq and 200/100 not been in the orders of magnitude, then you'd have a sliver of a point. It isn't and adding one more variable to this equation won't fix the underlying issue.

but they did innovate on the poe1 loot system. really not sure what is your argument here.

and its not about optimization, nor is it adding any variables. its about how strong the IIR benefit is and about making it not so strong while offering a choice.
right now IIR is OP, where inc gold is a brick type mod, while being a prefix. This is the most crude way i can explain the core of my argument.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

but they did innovate on the poe1 loot system. really not sure what is your argument here.

Name one singular improvement in the loot system they've made compared to poe1.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

and its not about optimization, nor is it adding any variables. its about how strong the IIR benefit is and about making it not so strong while offering a choice.
right now IIR is OP, where inc gold is a brick type mod, while being a prefix. This is the most crude way i can explain the core of my argument.

I'm not sure why you keep reiterating the same thing ad infinitum - I got it the first time.
Right now 'all' you need on your waystone is IIR+IIQ. If your suggestion was to be implemented, you'd need to have IIR+IIQ+INC gold on EVERY waystone in order to be efficient.

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arandan#3174 wrote:

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

but they did innovate on the poe1 loot system. really not sure what is your argument here.

Name one singular improvement in the loot system they've made compared to poe1.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

and its not about optimization, nor is it adding any variables. its about how strong the IIR benefit is and about making it not so strong while offering a choice.
right now IIR is OP, where inc gold is a brick type mod, while being a prefix. This is the most crude way i can explain the core of my argument.

I'm not sure why you keep reiterating the same thing ad infinitum - I got it the first time.
Right now 'all' you need on your waystone is IIR+IIQ. If your suggestion was to be implemented, you'd need to have IIR+IIQ+INC gold on EVERY waystone in order to be efficient.

UN-id Tiers.

in order to be efficient? at some point such 'rolling' would not be efficient use of currency- which is the point here.

also I added a suggestion to keep those separate after i read your initial reply- which addresses the IIR+IIQ+Currency Find conmbo on maps. not that i personally think its necessary to keep them exclusive like that.