Riddle me this GGG

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KingCalvin wrote:

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nachodotcom wrote:

That's not pay to win. Pay to win is when you can buy things in game, for real money, to give you an advantage.

By your logic, any game could be considered pay to win.

Some people have enough money to not have to work, so they can spend all of their free time playing the game. P2W

Some people have expensive computers, so they don't die to loading screens and lose 15% exp like some of the people with older computers. P2W

It is pay to win. He's speculating that in order to multicheat effectively they have bought with real money a program to help them achieve that advantage. the rest of your post doesnt make any sense.

Pay to win, when discussed in the context of free to play games, is when someone can gain an advantage by purchasing them through the the game, or company.

I'm pretty sure GGG isn't selling programs to help people multiclient.

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KingCalvin wrote:

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nachodotcom wrote:

That's not pay to win. Pay to win is when you can buy things in game, for real money, to give you an advantage.

By your logic, any game could be considered pay to win.

Some people have enough money to not have to work, so they can spend all of their free time playing the game. P2W

Some people have expensive computers, so they don't die to loading screens and lose 15% exp like some of the people with older computers. P2W

It is pay to win. He's speculating that in order to multicheat effectively they have bought with real money a program to help them achieve that advantage. the rest of your post doesnt make any sense.

This not make the game p2w...wtf are you all talking about.

''GUYZ, I PAID 30 CHINESE SO THEY CAN FARM FORM ME!''

- Wow, clearly pay to win!

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nachodotcom wrote:

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nGio wrote:

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nachodotcom wrote:

Multiboxing is allowed. Using a program like is boxer is not. GGG can't detect multiboxing vs different people on the same IP address.

I don't know where the P2W argument is coming from either, I don't think you know what you are talking about

ISboxer isn't free. And no one is tabbing out constantly to make sure all of their chars are within 13 yards of the main. Anyone that is multiboxing effectively is using a third party program. So for the small price of the ISboxer program, you too can be winning. Hence, pay to win.

That's not pay to win. Pay to win is when you can buy things in game, for real money, to give you an advantage.

By your logic, any game could be considered pay to win.

Some people have enough money to not have to work, so they can spend all of their free time playing the game. P2W

Some people have expensive computers, so they don't die to loading screens and lose 15% exp like some of the people with older computers. P2W

Another stupid comment on the PoE forums. Big surprise. P2W simply means paying for advantages in a game. By allowing multiboxing, it's pay to win. In SC2 you cannot purchase real money advantages from Blizzard, NOR do they allow the use of third party programs to gain advantage, like GGG does in PoE. Therefore, not a P2W. Your examples are fucking stupid man. Go play with those big crayons that your grandparents bought you.

you guys are stupid as **** xD

i multibox from time to time because why not?

my pc is able to do run 6 clients with the lowest graphics etc. (just barely)
i just alt tap and let them run trough the portal. actually isboxer whould make me spend MORE time.
also: what if i had 5 friends here that play on the accounts that i played to level 50 for piety from time to time and just do what i do on my pc? you whouldnt be ranting as much.

i think the real rage in this forum about multiboxing is that ppl's pc suck soooooo hard that they cant do it (or they are too lazy) and now they are all butthurt cause they think that in crub-defaultleague there exist something like a challenge/competetive aspect.

sorry to say that mates.

So should GGG ban people from being able to play in the same house with IP blocking? How else do you propose they stop programs like ISboxer?

Say it's not allowed? How the fuck does that stop people from doing it?

I mean, you can go online and buy Exalts from websites. That's P2W. Where is the butt hurt over that?

Do you simply want GGG to say multiboxing is "illegal" so you feel justified in your anger, even though it wouldn't actually accomplish anything?

I just don't understand the Anti Multibox side of the argument other than "it's not fair". Ok it's not fair (not saying I agree), now what? What do you want done?

lol You know, this wouldn't be a big deal too all you people bitching, if you played a finding loot game to find your own loot. The economy can vanish for all I care, and I don't multibox and easily could but it's just not worth my time as I use all my currency on my items anyways. Since I don't trade in a game where the point of playing is finding loot for yourself. Those who do multibox, good for you.

[/quote]P2W simply means paying for advantages in a game.[/quote]

lol You said it best yourself, so how much is Isoboxer in the cash shop? I haven't seen it for sale. Can you not download Isoboxer and do this yourself? How much is it in shop? Do you have to buy rights to use it from the shop? I'm so confused. Or is this just another stupid comment in the POE forums?

I have thought about the whole issue for a while now...

In my oppinion a /players x option could actually be sensible as it would make multiboxing more or less obsolete. There may of course be downsides, but at least in default I think it's worth considering.

I don't believe the term 'pay-to-win' is applicable in this context. In reality, 'pay-to-win' should be only be used, when something advantageous to progression, is only available via purchase, with 'real' cash. As multiboxing can be accomplished with nothing more than the standard client software, a few accounts and alt+tab, it's not P2W.

That said, using a third-party application such as isboxer, could be construed as automation, which is actually not allowed:

http://www.pathofexile.com/legal/terms-of-use-and-privacy-policy

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Utilising any form of automated software in relation to your access or use of the Website, Materials or Services is prohibited.

Which, depending on how the ToS is interpreted, may be something that could lead to a ban. It's also worth taking note of a comment made by Samantha in this thread:

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/375500/page/2/

Stopping miltiboxing is pretty much impossible but I must agree with the OP, a /players x option would mean players who don't use it are not too disadvantaged, even if the /players 6 is no where near as strong (or as good drops) as having 6 multiboxers or players it would at least provide those of us who chose not to play by controversial methods a viable option.