i am once again asking to rework T17 concept

these maps should only be used to get fragments and nothing else they arent meant to be normal maps you can juice with atlas just make atlas not affect T17 and its solved

Agreed.

Not a fan.

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Deviant#8289 wrote:

these maps should only be used to get fragments and nothing else they arent meant to be normal maps you can juice with atlas just make atlas not affect T17 and its solved

Revert the fragments, put the Ubers back on the atlas skill tree. It is just a waste of time collecting fragments and super expensive when you do uber maven right now.

T17 should just unlock the map device and have the specific unique drops, maybe slightly more quant and quality than t16

Imo they can keep the maps as they are, i'd just want them to introduce more ways of getting the uber fragments rather than just t17 maps. The maps aren't everyones cup of tea and having ubers locked behind them is really annoying.

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H3rB1985#0551 wrote:

Revert the fragments, put the Ubers back on the atlas skill tree. It is just a waste of time collecting fragments and super expensive when you do uber maven right now.

Putting Ubers back on the tree is exactly how you end up with 200c normal Pinnacle boss entrance fees, price-gated thanks to everyone cheesing Uber access via a passive point.

Before the change, you were basically forced to use your regular Pinnacle fragments to run Ubers or sell them, because doing the normal versions without the atlas node was a straight loss. Sure, the normal fights still feel meh with their weaker loot, but at least now you’re not bleeding currency just for skipping Ubers.

If collecting a few new fragments is “a waste of time,” or "super expensive" maybe aspirational content isn’t for you.

If anything, they should expand the T17 pool for more map variety to reduce burnout, or go further and introduce aspirational content for stuff like Logbooks, Heist, or Simulacrum that matches T17/Uber difficulty and offers alternate paths to earn Uber fragments.

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Baharoth15#0429 wrote:

Imo they can keep the maps as they are, i'd just want them to introduce more ways of getting the uber fragments rather than just t17 maps. The maps aren't everyones cup of tea and having ubers locked behind them is really annoying.

what is annoying is to always need to play a build what can do t17 content juiced if you cant then you will be farming pennies in t16 maps comparing to t17 juice

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H3rB1985#0551 wrote:

Revert the fragments, put the Ubers back on the atlas skill tree.

+1

Add more T17 maps, remove all of the cancer mods from them. People are sick of rerolling single map 100 times just to find mods that dont brick their build.
Fixed.

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Aynix#7757 wrote:

Add more T17 maps, remove all of the cancer mods from them. People are sick of rerolling single map 100 times just to find mods that dont brick their build.
Fixed.

As much as i would appreciate them doing that, i don't see it happening. Mark already said during the settlers release interview that he thinks it's fine to have build bricking mods. I honestly wonder what's going on in the heads of these people. I mean they finally, FINALLY made trade bearable this league and i am honestly thankful for that so i don't want to complain too much but i'll never see the point of having outright build bricking mods in the pool.

I just feel stupid every time i have to reroll otherwise utterly harmless maps just because there is that one mod that completely dismantles my buildconcept on a fundamental level. They should use the Simulacrum mod pool for maps, maybe even increase the possible values. That would make maps actually dangerous and encourage making decent builds rather than the current version where whether you can run a map or not is mostly down to luck.

I will tell you whats in their head. They think that by adding build bricking mods, players will try to find solutions in their builds or reroll the mod which is currency sink to fight inflation. In reality vast majority of people will just play the two or three builds that can run all mods. They clearly dont understand "average player" mentality.