The Vision is TRASH.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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Naharez#3496 wrote:

Maybe it's the toxic community damaging the game and not the patch? Also, it's normal for games to lose players after some months, even if the start was good.

If ppl like the game, they like the game and play it, if not - they don't.

The "toxic community" has literally zero power to prevent ppl from playing, thus, everyone who likes it - plays.

Not true.

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Haziza#1519 wrote:

I have enjoyed the so-called "vision" so far. There are plenty of alternatives for people who don't enjoy the vision of this particular game.

Are you using the term "Vision", because it's cool? It kinda reminds me of thug talk and thug culture, because it feels to me you just want to drag everybody around you down and sound cool while doing so. No offense.

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Naharez#3496 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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Naharez#3496 wrote:

Maybe it's the toxic community damaging the game and not the patch? Also, it's normal for games to lose players after some months, even if the start was good.

If ppl like the game, they like the game and play it, if not - they don't.

The "toxic community" has literally zero power to prevent ppl from playing, thus, everyone who likes it - plays.

Not true.

Ah. And how does the "toxic community" prevent ppl who enjoy the game from playing?

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Ah. And how does the "toxic community" prevent ppl who enjoy the game from playing?

By dragging everybody down who has to read what they write. Happens in global chat a lot, also on YouTube. It's a psychological effect, I presume.

Indeed.

Vision.

Trash.

Like this item.



I remember devs mentioning during development of og Path of Exile, how they will work on improving drops to be more meaningful without trash rolls.

Curious whos Vision are items with rolls like these?

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Naharez#3496 wrote:

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Ah. And how does the "toxic community" prevent ppl who enjoy the game from playing?

By dragging everybody down who has to read what they write. Happens in global chat a lot, also on YouTube. It's a psychological effect, I presume.

Sure, if you are 12yo and easily influenceable.

First of all, ppl who left - don't type in the ingame chat.
Secondly, should still toxic ppl remain in the chat, you can mute them and/or change the global.
Thirdly, if you stop playing a game you like because someone says "PoE2 Bad", idk man...

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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Naharez#3496 wrote:

Maybe it's the toxic community damaging the game and not the patch? Also, it's normal for games to lose players after some months, even if the start was good.

If ppl like the game, they like the game and play it, if not - they don't.

The "toxic community" has literally zero power to prevent ppl from playing, thus, everyone who likes it - plays.

PoE 2 is in a unique position because of PoE1 and it's community as well as GGG's own poor management decisions that affected PoE1. PoE1 community was also enraged at the fact that PoE 2 had a different direction then PoE 1 as well.

To say the community has 0 power to prevent others from playing is completely ignorant as well. Not only do many people go by reviews and word of mouth and what streamers tell them.. but on the long run community influences the direction of the game. If someone liked a certain aspect of PoE2 prior to certain parts of community outrage, and that thing gets changed, said someone might end up not playing the game anymore and as such community has a lot of power in that direction too.

Example: I literally had a friend that didn't play games because Asmongold would tell him otherwise ... I mean...

Cult-like mentality is also nothing new, it happens in all kinds of areas, be it videogames or something else.

Regardless of how good or bad PoE2 will be as a game, if it won't become a carbon copy of PoE1 or if PoE1 won't get serviced in such a way that it pleases the PoE1 community to the extent where they can ignore PoE2's existence completely... The PoE1 community will weight down on it forever...

The situation is far more complex then what you're saying...

OP nailed it with this statement "It is your time he is wasting not his"

F the XP loss alone. Only people that fight for it to exist are the ones never impacted because they are over achievers.

Dying 1 time for me is like I didnt play last week at all. F the slap in the face at every turn.

I can accept dying etc I can accept losing gold etc if that were the punishment. I cannot accept some pompous dev deciding my TIME is not valuable. This is what I learned and will never give GGG a dime of my money again unless I see a change that makes this damn demon of a game changed.

One Shots should not exist as they are so readily handed out with the lack of working defenses in this game...wait is it a game? Na more like torture. Glad its off my HD.

XP loss alone has led to the worst feelings Ive experienced as a gamer in 40 years.

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

To say the community has 0 power to prevent others from playing is completely ignorant as well. Not only do many people go by reviews and word of mouth and what streamers tell them.. but on the long run community influences the direction of the game. If someone liked a certain aspect of PoE2 prior to certain parts of community outrage, and that thing gets changed, said someone might end up not playing the game anymore and as such community has a lot of power in that direction too.

HOLY... is it literally impossible for you not to make it a "streamer tell ppl" thing every single time?
Hell, you think more about streamers than the biggest streamer fans on earth.

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Example: I literally had a friend that didn't play games because Asmongold would tell him otherwise ... I mean...

Cool story.

But it's not about ppl who decide if they start playing a game or not, it's about the ability of the "toxic community" to prevent ppl who enjoy the game from playing it.

I think the vision is great.

But the current implementation of it is not.