Will you nerf the OP lightning spear already??!

The thing with ls is that most people wont be able to kill bosses with that build, to grief upgrades early. Same idea was with spark. Its a non targetable spell. Aoe basically. Cof got nerfed, because it basically made every button you had the 'Iwin' button. With ls you have to, at least, play the game.
In the end I think, ofc the new class is op with release. Want more balance? Play one of the others.

Well, romantic view on things, inflation is real and it is driving you to choose just the meta.

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Flowneppets#0528 wrote:

LS doesn't even feel as powerful as Invoker and Spark builds felt last season. It's not as fire and forget and single target is poor out of the box, also have to sacrifice dps for making it work with ES because evasion is garbage.

Instead of discussing nerfs we should discuss how to make anything else even viable. The piss poor state of defenses other than ES is the big elephant in the room.

+1

This. There are way more CS Invokers that can just zoom pass anything without dying with GF back in 0.1.

This is exactly what's really needed, defenses aren't really perfect for every classes atm.

As a warrior, I would just gear up with evasion/es and ditch armor stats altogether but that just makes it feels so "unnaturally" defensive for a brute character.

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Sargoth_CZ#3391 wrote:

You type "Poe 2" into youtube and the amount of videos on this will knock you off your chair.
One button whole screen clear stupid zoom-zoom shit.

This isn't a meaningful combat.

30% of community playing this build right now (cause its OP as fk).
And you know about it damn well.

Sure, you gave the kids a candy, obviously, the candy is spoiling them way too much. Now you are worried that if you take the candy back, the kids will start rampaging, crying and twisting.
As a good parent, you got to take this, take the candy, talk to the kids and have the patience to let them grow up.

You also need to learn, as a good parent, to not spoil them with such candies again and keep the damn game balanced and meaningful.

Thank you.

Like it was balanced and meaningful so far with lightning sorc and howa monk.

My guess is you got mad because your trash spec got nerfed.

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Sargoth_CZ#3391 wrote:

Builds that delete monsters and bosses cause much severe issues.

Devs don't know how to reduce the power and because of that, only thing that can remotely touch these builds are ground effect, death effects and one-shots off screen... we all love those, right?

When it comes to bosses that get deleted in 5 sec from these OP builds, again, Devs "counter" it with invul-phases when bosses are floating and for some reason can't be damaged, so they won't get melted by these OP builds.

Now thanks to that, every build suffers.

There is only one solution - Nerf the OP shit and put everyone on equal (low) level.

PoE 1 went the opposite way - have more OP builds, but honestly, its just stupid.

This.

People don't see the full picture.

GGG buffs enemies tremendously so that they have a chance to kill the meta builds that break the game.

And then suddenly your "happy off-meta" build has to deal with enemies that are twice as powerful as before.

Yeah... good luck with that.

Better to buff off meta a lot and then nerf OP builds without invalidating them.

Then if the game gets too easy, buff monsters INCREMENTALLY until they reach a good spot

Live service games lead to posts like OP.

Why should YOU care how "I" or another person choose to play in basicaly a single player game?

How does someone using a META at the moment skill impact you?

You will post your BS when the next META is discovered too.

Nerf everything. Make every skill do 1 dmg and have 15sec cooldown. Then will you be happy?

Go back under the rug.

As opposed to concentrating on nerfs why not a two-pronged approach.

On LS for example if there are unintended interactions that make the skill OP then back those off a bit. Don't nuke the skill from orbit but maybe reign it in a bit so it's competitive (even if still a little better) than any of the other OP builds for the same investment.

Don't forget the other side of the equation to help lift up some of the underperforming builds / ascendancies.

I started this league with a Deadeye and did some experimenting on my own with skills like Gas Arrow, Lightning Arrow, Stormcaller, Ice Shot, Spiral Volley, Twister, Lightning Spear, Storm Lance and Wind Serpent. Honestly, most of these work pretty well, and with enough investment, some of them can become one-shot map clearers.

Twister got nerfed, so it’s no longer as easy to melt bosses(but it's still possible), and I suspect Wind Serpent will end up in a similar spot. As for Lightning Spear, I really don’t see why it needed a huge nerf, it's just like lightning arrow with a bit more range, but slower if you are not on Rhoa.

Personally, my goal for a build is just to one-shot clear T15 maps, and make all the complicated stuff happen automatically in the background. Then I just move on to a new build. The reason spear builds are everywhere is just because Amazon is the most popular class this league, so streamers are naturally making content around it, and Lightning Spear is most straightforward skill. New players might enjoy copying streamer builds, but that doesn’t change how I like to play the game. If you don’t like it, just don’t use it, that way, you won’t have to trade for the hottest items those builds rely on anyway. Or just start a ssf or hc instead.

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rhalbhub#0570 wrote:

Why should YOU care how "I" or another person choose to play in basicaly a single player game?

Right now the game is balanced around trading. I'm playing minions and I'm much slower at generating currency and items. Every day the items I want to buy are "running away" from me due to fast inflation caused by one severely overpowered build that is played by a huge portion of the playerbase.

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rhalbhub#0570 wrote:

Nerf everything. Make every skill do 1 dmg and have 15sec cooldown. Then will you be happy?

It's not one extreme or the other you know.

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rhalbhub#0570 wrote:

Live service games lead to posts like OP.

Why should YOU care how "I" or another person choose to play in basicaly a single player game?

How does someone using a META at the moment skill impact you?

You will post your BS when the next META is discovered too.

Nerf everything. Make every skill do 1 dmg and have 15sec cooldown. Then will you be happy?

Go back under the rug.

I'll repeat it to you one more time then, [Removed by Support]

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Builds that delete monsters and bosses cause much severe issues.

Devs don't know how to reduce the power and because of that, only thing that can remotely touch these builds are ground effect, death effects and one-shots off screen... we all love those, right?

When it comes to bosses that get deleted in 5 sec from these OP builds, again, Devs "counter" it with invul-phases when bosses are floating and for some reason can't be damaged, so they won't get melted by these OP builds.

Now thanks to that, every build suffers.
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Yes, nerf the only thing people can stand to play. That will go well. They already nerfed all of the other builds people were playing.

Player response: Mostly negative.