I don't care if it's early access or not, this isn't a good sign

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Sirius_Man#0785 wrote:

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Bobothewizard#8756 wrote:

If its a craptastic game people wont play it. Doesnt matter if its the end of the season or everyone has done everything they can to. They will never get back to that amount of players again. Most of the time, when you lose players those players will not come back because something better came along.


Hell even the streamers went back to POE1.

This is the type of uncomfortable truth that often leads to resistance from society, much like how Socrates faced execution for challenging the status quo. His philosophical insights threatened established beliefs, and as a result, he was condemned.

Similarly, those who speak truths that society isn’t ready to hear often face harsh backlash.
History shows that, much like Socrates, speaking such truths can come at a great personal cost.

In the case of Christ, his message, too, was seen as a threat to the established order, leading to his crucifixion. Both instances highlight the enduring struggle between truth and the power structures that seek to suppress it.

The current state of PoE 2 mirrors this reality, its failure to live up to expectations is a harsh truth that many are unwilling to face, and as a result, the game's potential demise may be written off rather than addressed.

It’s as if the PoE 2 community, in its denial of these truths, would rather choose Barabbas (the lies and false promises) over Christ (the harsh but necessary truth).

Stay safe out there, Exiles, and remember to question all that you face—true wisdom lies not in avoiding hardship, but in embracing it with virtue and resilience. Follow the path of knowledge, and let the strength of reason and self-control guide you through the chaos.

Please remember to take your medication as prescribed

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ApacheVE3D#7124 wrote:

Marvel Rivals was released at about the same time and its still top 5 played on Steam. The diff is it has better "end game" atm. When POE2 has more end game the numbers will stay higher longer.

Marvel Rivals has also lost 75% of its active players over its duration. It might still be in the top 5, that doesn't mean it didn't see a MASSIVE (and normal) Drop-off as people got their fill or decided it's not their game. It's just that it's initial players was MUCH higher, given the huge IP connected to it, and MUCH more accessible gameplay.

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scornedfury#4010 wrote:

I doubt GGG saw this much of a player drop before release. Obviously, it's only steam numbers but it's some representation of how much neglect and lack of listening to players. I'm going back to POE1 for now and I don't see myself coming back to POE2 until it essentially gets a whole rework which I 100% guarantee will happen out of spire, due to such backlash about these poor design choices that were already figured out in POE. Anybody in a business knows how hard it is to reel back in buyers after they leave, I fear the past few months and their lack of serious fixes to the game put people off for good.

Your point is? That POE did not become a religion?

Can someone link the interview with GGG where they explain that the team is fully aware what their game is.
Guess what? Its a game... and majority of their playerbase play POE while they wait for their next game release.
POE is a game you can return any time.

You will see the playerbase number spike up again in a few days...
Hardcore fanatics will stick to the game until they squeeze the last drop of fun of it with every possible build, other will run a league maybe with one character, and will go play something else...
But eventually return.

Same way I install Binding of Isaac or Faster than Light once a year and spend a few dozens of hours in it...

On the other hand I don't play WoW because in theory you can return any time for their new raid tier, you still feel you just skipped many content, cant ever experience stories and the collectables just screams that "this isn't for you, its for those who stuck with us"

This thread is so trippy - no shrooms needed.

Kudos to the OP.

I really wish people would stop using steam charts as a player count. only a fraction of players use steam. also this is normal huge swings at season launch compared to 3 months in

Settlers launched on July 26, making August the first real month. It dropped below your 33k mark by September. Necropolis went from 68.5k to 36.9k in month. The retention percentage in PoE 2 is fairly comparable if you factor in the number of people who played a new game and quit shortly thereafter. What's more, the all time peak for PoE 2 is already over twice that of PoE 1. I expect the f2p full launch to have over 1 million on it's peak.

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Ulsarek#7159 wrote:

What are you on about? 33k players for a early access title that hasn't received a major patch in ~ 4 months (by the time we get 0.20) is amazing. Let's not forget this is just Steam and the majority of these 33k who are still playing paid for early access on top.

Nah. This genre thrives on seasonal updates and all things considered, GGG has nothing to worry about in the long run.

this is some serious coping and simping

steam is the majority by far for poe player base, especially poe 2 with all the steam codes given away.

they gave examples of other games and most other games keep retention for a very long time. they want poe 2 to be like other games where they stay on top of charts for months

pubg is a success. 800k every day forever and was in EA ... and still might be idek.

POE 1 is a flop and a bad game and I know it's hard for the simps to accept reality

i'm calling poe 2 maxing out at 80-120k including 30% of them being bots or maybe 150k with the bots idk.

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silentxthreat#4391 wrote:

I really wish people would stop using steam charts as a player count. only a fraction of players use steam. also this is normal huge swings at season launch compared to 3 months in

There was some reporting on some number quite a while back by GGG that could be correlated to a time period searchable on Steam charts. I believe the rough estimate was 40:60. I dont recall if that was 40% steam or 40% poe client. However if you average those options it still is about 50:50. Also I believe I have seen mentioned that PoE2 numbers include Chinese players while PoE1 #s do not.

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RevertHarvest#4002 wrote:

this is some serious coping and simping

steam is the majority by far for poe player base, especially poe 2 with all the steam codes given away.

Would you like to support this claim? Literally everyone I personally know uses the local client. For PoE2 the Steam key just didn't work for shit to any of the 5 people I gave to, and they just used the local client to simplify things.

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RevertHarvest#4002 wrote:

they gave examples of other games and most other games keep retention for a very long time. they want poe 2 to be like other games where they stay on top of charts for months

pubg is a success. 800k every day forever and was in EA ... and still might be idek.

Pubg Released (at least according to steamcharts), released March 17, and landed with around 3.2 Million players riding high off their initial release (and was a simple to understand shooter). Over the first year, it lost (unshockingly) 73% of it's players, and has been a downward trend overall since, with a rally every 2 years or so that blip it up near 1 Million again, though right now it is seeing a resurgence and a big spike, their average player count this month is still only 300K, the -highest- it's been for years.

We have to wait and see how many players come back for 0.2 and what the peak will be. If we get ~550k+ peak in 0.2, then that's a win for GGG.

If the peak is 400k or less, then that's a huge red flag IMO.