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Azdrubel#6242 wrote:
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In POE 2 they have a major investor that won't stand for that long. Ten Cent isn't used to these tactics. If I were them I would be very nervous right about now.


Whatever you mean by "these tactics" I am not quite sure, but I don't think that's a really reasonable take. Tencent bought GGG in May 2018 with the whole process being initiated in 2016 afaik, so they had at least 6 years to get used to how GGG does things. So I don't think a few months in an Early Access version would make that much of a difference for either Tencent or GGG to get used to each others company policies? That really seems like a big leap of logic.

I am serious here and actually curious. Can you point me to an actual genuine internal document or official statement about the degree of influence of Tencent on the development process of PoE 2 by either party? Like, something from either GGG or Tencent? I would love some clarification on that.


An internal document??

Do you really not know how investing works?

You get quarterly earnings reports, CEO/Chair reports, etc. when you are a large stake-holder of a company. You even get invited to board meetings every quarter on Zoom. You're part of large decisions and get to vote on hiring for key positions sometimes too. You're VERY much involved in what happens within the company because you have a big stake riding in it and you'd be a fool not to keep very close tabs on it.

When the company starts a new IPO that's going to generate a million and one reports, status reports, roadmaps, progress reports, etc. because, it's also a very vulnerable time for the company. If it even LOOKS like they aren't going to be successful they can lose investors in a heartbeat.

Yes, I know this because I am one for a few different companies, some more than others follow this. Stable companies don't follow it as much although they make resources available if you choose to look at them.

What I'm saying is: An investor isn't a for-life thing. They can punch at any time and leave the company reeling because the stocks would drop dramatically. For some companies that means they basically close their doors if they can't get investors to reinvest because of the trend of their stocks.

So, there's a lot going on you don't seem to understand.
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I think this guy missed the part where they sold a lot more keys to early access than anticipated = investors happy by his logic.

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They have a "vision" and they are going to stick to it no matter how many players they lose...

In POE 1 they could do that since they were self-funded.

In POE 2 they have a major investor that won't stand for that long. Ten Cent isn't used to these tactics. If I were them I would be very nervous right about now.




poe1 is what tencent bought. poe1 is a f2p game.


poe2 just launched with a pay to play EA containing about 1/3 of the game that had over double the player count of the F2P poe1 they first invested in, the 24h peak on steam right now is still higher than the highest ever point of poe1.



you rly think theyre looking at this and worrying?
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An internal document??

Do you really not know how investing works?

You get quarterly earnings reports, CEO/Chair reports, etc. when you are a large stake-holder of a company. You even get invited to board meetings every quarter on Zoom. You're part of large decisions and get to vote on hiring for key positions sometimes too. You're VERY much involved in what happens within the company because you have a big stake riding in it and you'd be a fool not to keep very close tabs on it.

When the company starts a new IPO that's going to generate a million and one reports, status reports, roadmaps, progress reports, etc. because, it's also a very vulnerable time for the company. If it even LOOKS like they aren't going to be successful they can lose investors in a heartbeat.

Yes, I know this because I am one for a few different companies, some more than others follow this. Stable companies don't follow it as much although they make resources available if you choose to look at them.

What I'm saying is: An investor isn't a for-life thing. They can punch at any time and leave the company reeling because the stocks would drop dramatically. For some companies that means they basically close their doors if they can't get investors to reinvest because of the trend of their stocks.

So, there's a lot going on you don't seem to understand.


No need to be condescending. But you probably can't help yourself since you quite obviously think you are the smartest guy in the room.

So, Mr Investor, if you are privy to so many zoom meetings and annual reports and such, you probably are also very able to put all that complicated business speech into laymans terms. But just in case you aren't, let me show you what I mean, before you feel the need to write another wall of text filled with non-sequiturs.

My question basically boils down to: "what`s the basis of your argument?"

And your answer basically is: "Assumptions, idiot!"

So... okay then.
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Guy, everything I post is common sense. It's not "magic" to see how many bots there are in the game when the playerbase doesn't dip below a certain level on peak vs. off-peak hours.

I'm not defending GGG but I would like to point out that there are different timezones around the globe and thus almost every hour is a peak hour for some country. SteamDB lowest dips is prime-time (6PM) for Australia/NZ and 4PM for Japan while being 8AM in Europe and night in US.
I'm going to repost this here because its prevalent (and a response to another thread by the same person):

Tencent doesn't manage ANY games. They buy companies....that's it. If you really think tencent is wasting their time on a pittance like GGG, you are woefully out of touch with the actual business world. Even if the entire game would collapse and GGG goes out of business tomorrw, it will have exactly zero impact on Tencent. GGG is approximately .04% of tencent's total portfolio. By comparison, the lowest INTEREST RATE on a savings account is .42%. GGG is less than a tenth of even annual interest in a personal savings account.

He thinks they are "nervous" about the direction of PoE 2 development:
1) PoE 2 is WILDLY successful, even pre-launch of the actual game. It bears repeating that the full game hasn't even launched yet, and they have broken all previous records in the company's 12+ year history.
2) Tencent really doesn't give a damn "cent" about GGG as a company, nor the product.

Trying to sound smart, and actually being smart and correct are two VERY different things, as illustrated by this particular user.
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_ZLoBny_#7128 wrote:

I'm not defending GGG but I would like to point out that there are different timezones around the globe and thus almost every hour is a peak hour for some country. SteamDB lowest dips is prime-time (6PM) for Australia/NZ and 4PM for Japan while being 8AM in Europe and night in US.


I'm not sure he is aware of time zones being a thing to be honest.
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I'm going to repost this here because its prevalent (and a response to another thread by the same person):

Tencent doesn't manage ANY games. They buy companies....that's it. If you really think tencent is wasting their time on a pittance like GGG, you are woefully out of touch with the actual business world. Even if the entire game would collapse and GGG goes out of business tomorrw, it will have exactly zero impact on Tencent. GGG is approximately .04% of tencent's total portfolio. By comparison, the lowest INTEREST RATE on a savings account is .42%. GGG is less than a tenth of even annual interest in a personal savings account.

He thinks they are "nervous" about the direction of PoE 2 development:
1) PoE 2 is WILDLY successful, even pre-launch of the actual game. It bears repeating that the full game hasn't even launched yet, and they have broken all previous records in the company's 12+ year history.
2) Tencent really doesn't give a damn "cent" about GGG as a company, nor the product.

Trying to sound smart, and actually being smart and correct are two VERY different things, as illustrated by this particular user.


lmao who are you talking to?
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toxiitea#5772 wrote:


lmao who are you talking to?


He's referring to the bacon guy that is claiming that Tencent is going to whip GGG into shape because the game doesn't fit his own vision in every thread on these forums.

Also everything he says is facts and everyone else are idiots.
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