Daily reminder that Mace skills need to be rework (12/12)

as title, I had wrote 4 threads about it.

Why The Features of Melee Are Bad
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3646863

Detail of Why Mace Skills Are Bad Designed
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3637587

The Buff of Rolling Slam Shows How Poor GGG Knows The Issue
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3644508

Review The History of Melee's Design From Poe1
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3665571



I think I should sum up all core concept here.

1.slowness & stun system & rares

Slowness of mace skills makes a lot of interaction feel punished, while a lot of mechanics are not allowed slowness.

It's hard to get your big hit on rares after you stun them, the stun time is too short to make any benifit of "+X% more on heavy stunned target". 80% or more rares already recovered from heavy stunned when The hammer of gods landed.

Every build can stun a monster so it's a bad idea to make stunned time longer, so whynot just make mace skills faster?

Every build can stun, while freeze and electrocution is somehow better than stun, the class that can only stun suffered. To make mace skill stuns better than other classes, why isn't there any stun time and stun cooldown bonus or passives for mace skills?

It's fair that big hit like HoG needs long cast time, but it feels bad when it actually can't conbine with stun system, so every endgame guide of titan I had checked, no one pick Surprising Strength, because it's garbage.

The step back of monster after heavy stunned makes the situation worse too. You need to move forward to land you hits.

Even the stun control is bad when it interact with aftershock, cuz aftershock usually makes the target stunned on the wrong time, making your big hit miss the correct time to land, now most of titan players choose aftershock because it's more reliable.

The rare mods make the slowness worse, I met a lot of rares with mods that prevent you from dealing any effective damage.
For example, slow aura with ele explode, tracking balls or damaging ground effect.

I had met a rare with slow aura, tracking purple balls, lightning explode and close only, because I can't do any slam or I'll die, I keep defaut attack and dodge roll, spend about 5 min to kill it. After the fight, I felt no sense of victory, only felt been punished by the dogshit design. And this happened more than 5 times, I didn't survived everytime.

The rare mods also makes big hits fail, rare monster can still do lethal damage while stunned, because they got a lot of auto cast mods, and these auto cast effect can one shot you easily, when mace players have to dodge roll and stop their HoG, there's another 20 sec punishment for bad design.

Additional personal thoughts: slow pace is acceptable, but mace skills are too slow that it feels lame and no fun even it works well, not to mention it's slow and bad now.

2. defence system

HP sucks, ES good. I don't think any explanation is needed here, if there's any devs still not notice this, GGG should fire this guy immediately.

3.skill design

detail here:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3637587

shield skills: garbage
slam skills: some good on bossing, the rest is garbage
strike skills: garbage, boneshatter is good design but stun system is a dogshit
molten blast: with the meaningless step it's a dogshit
warcries: meh
best T0 skill: totem and default attack














And there's more feedback by others

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3647377

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hgskq8/why_are_warriors_not_allowed_to_have_good_clear/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hh1dvo/is_it_just_me_or_melee_is_feels_incredibly_bad/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hgq6xw/rip_warrior/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hgwoha/armor_explosion_support_nerf_is_ridiculous_here/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hgx3pp/warrior_doesnt_have_clear_speed_because_they_cant/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1h9m2wr/ben_hates_warrior/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hgskq8/why_are_warriors_not_allowed_to_have_good_clear/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hb27bb/my_experience_with_warrior/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1h9872x/playing_as_a_warrior_in_poe2_is_horrible/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1h8g1vg/warrior_players_what_skills_are_we_using_right_now/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1h8k5l6/warrior_is_kind_of_garbage_tbh/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hh1xn3/carn_on_warrior/

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added 12/21

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hhjdoe/comment/m2sebgi/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hiw7fn/i_think_they_fucked_up_by_adding_maces_as_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1higcxx/all_other_classes_can_use_skills_while_moving_but/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hhnqzy/the_more_i_play_warrior_in_poe_2_the_more_i/

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12/22

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hjbj6h/not_making_fun_of_any_build_i_just_find_it_funny/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hiw7fn/i_think_they_fucked_up_by_adding_maces_as_the/

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3635095

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3645563

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3608693

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hjdnfp/riddle_me_this_ggg_warrior_can_move_while/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hjbp3x/what_class_would_play_opposite_warrior/


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12/23


https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hk29hb/seriously_what_is_up_with_warrior_skill_design/


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12/25

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hln1x4/playing_melee_warrior_is_like_playing_poe2_slow/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hm0bsb/warrior_has_no_defenses/

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3665630


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12/27

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3666119

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3666896/page/1#p25750948

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12/28

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3669039/page/1

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12/30

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3672130

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I think the devs actually not reading the feedback, so I decide to post the same feedback list per day until GGG fix this garbage class.

I won't stop until there's an acceptable change or I'll just keep spamming it.


anyone got same article to share, welcome to add below, I'll add in next post.

So you're opening a new thread every day?

I play a melee bloodmage with no armour.

I'm having fun.



You dont have to use the 'do more damage on heavy stunned enemies'.

Hammer of gods adds a lot of stun time to the bar, it's a waste to use it when the enemies are stunned.
I've encountered a few very mobile bosses where it makes sense to stun them and then hammer of the gods them, but in general it's a waste.

You write a big post, but your points arent really clear.

If this was a thesis, you'd fail the class.

You barely bring any actual arguments.

In conclusion, stop wasting the devs time by making them read your ramblings and let them get on with their work.

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botobeno#7706 wrote:

I play a melee bloodmage with no armour.

I'm having fun.



You dont have to use the 'do more damage on heavy stunned enemies'.

Hammer of gods adds a lot of stun time to the bar, it's a waste to use it when the enemies are stunned.
I've encountered a few very mobile bosses where it makes sense to stun them and then hammer of the gods them, but in general it's a waste.

You write a big post, but your points arent really clear.

If this was a thesis, you'd fail the class.

You barely bring any actual arguments.

In conclusion, stop wasting the devs time by making them read your ramblings and let them get on with their work.

Do you know that the function of this subreddit is to let players give feedback instead of letting dyslexics pretend that they can read?