Armor - The worst stat ingame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw-uD-vz_5s

Can GGG please look into this. We had Fortify, Endurance Charges and Determination in POE1 - We got stripped of it all - which is ok - but keeping the same formula intact without having anything to counteract is horrible.

It gets even worse when mobs start to Armor Break you which is nearly 100% of the time once it happens its to late.

But there is no "Evasion Break" or "Energy Shield Break" its only for the worst defensive stat ingame that it can even be taken away completely.

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strangethings1980#3008 wrote:

But there is no "Evasion Break" or "Energy Shield Break" its only for the worst defensive stat ingame that it can even be taken away completely.

Partially wrong....there is and its far far worse. "Evasion break" = accuracy, plus monsters with accuracy buff stats that make nearly all your evasion entirely meaningless. Far more common than armor breakers. ES is the one that is too overpowered, but its more because of numbers when compared to life. The biggest "ES Break" is chaos damage....which bypasses it entirely (100% "ES Break"). There's also the fact that you can't use a potion on ES mid-battle, meaning it is a "finite" defense that can disappear on you mid-battle and be utterly useless. Armor doesn't go away.

These three defenses you name function in completely different ways, and because of that interact differently with the game. But ALL of them have very strong counters from monsters. Armor is the *only* defense you name that has a mitigation effect, the STRONGEST defensive mechanic you can get in PoE. Evasion, by comparison, is completely unreliable on its own: it essentially does nothing because the formula means you will 100% get hit and take 100% damage. Energy Shield as I mentioned is more like a second life pool, with the exception of being unable to press the "oh shit" flask button to recover it.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

The biggest "ES Break" is chaos damage....which bypasses it entirely (100% "ES Break").

IIRC, Chaos damage no longer bypasses Energy Shield in PoE2, instead it deals double damage to Energy Shield. Which, arguably, is worse because it now shreds your healthpool to let everything else kill you, while before you could guzzle a flask to mitigate the chaos damage poisons or w/e while your ES protects you from others. But at least you don't die while having full energy shield anymore.

Bleeds and Poisons do damage behind Energy Shield now, but it looks like bleeds require your hit points to get hit before they can proc (wonder how that works with MoM). So Energy Shield can completely protect you from bleed it seems... But if you get bled, even if you regenerate energy shield its not going to do anything.

Also, while I wouldn't say Armor is 'terrible' (its fantastic for mitigating a bunch of little hits that happen when you get swarmed, its just terrible at saving your ass from high damage physical hits, but at least most of those are telegraphed by bosses), armor and life builds have an easy time gearing since armor is a secondary concern over life. Life + Resistances and armor to spare is a LOT easier to gear for than eva or es, where two prefix modifiers are needed on every armor piece to be worthwhile.

Given that CI exists and works so well with ES I wouldn't worry about Chaos damage at all. If memory serves there is a keystone that allows ES recovery from flasks instead of life recovery so there goes another problem easily resolved.

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KingAlamar#4071 wrote:

Given that CI exists and works so well with ES I wouldn't worry about Chaos damage at all. If memory serves there is a keystone that allows ES recovery from flasks instead of life recovery so there goes another problem easily resolved.

There is, but it disables ES recharge so your only method of ES recovery is flasks or other sources like grim feast (there's no ES leech except for Chonks, after all).

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Amorencinteroph#4321 wrote:

IIRC, Chaos damage no longer bypasses Energy Shield in PoE2, instead it deals double damage to Energy Shield. Which, arguably, is worse because it now shreds your healthpool to let everything else kill you, while before you could guzzle a flask to mitigate the chaos damage poisons or w/e while your ES protects you from others. But at least you don't die while having full energy shield anymore.

I had no idea, thanks for that! Yes....this is much much worse because, rather than a binary on/off switch it eventually becomes with life regen and resists, its now punishing at all levels regardless. Especially with chaos damage being far more common.

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KingAlamar#4071 wrote:

Given that CI exists and works so well with ES I wouldn't worry about Chaos damage at all. If memory serves there is a keystone that allows ES recovery from flasks instead of life recovery so there goes another problem easily resolved.

I mean.....I wouldn't really call that "easily resolved" lol. Those two keystones require very very dedicated build-crafting. In much the same way an armor build ALSO requires very dedicated build-crafting lol.

Does Supreme Decadence even exist in PoE 2? Haven't looked for it.

Why you even make post about not your analysis?

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

I had no idea, thanks for that! Yes....this is much much worse because, rather than a binary on/off switch it eventually becomes with life regen and resists, its now punishing at all levels regardless. Especially with chaos damage being far more common.

Yeah, I found out brutally doing a Sekhema Trial. 100% trap speed + 100% trap damage + poison trap button meant my energy shield was GONE in an instant. Thank heavens I had a glowing orb otherwise that would have murked be in .5 seconds flat.