Early Access Feedback - Death Penalty above Fun is an asinine approach - Forum

" SilentTheGray#2578 wrote: " Daskard#5341 wrote: " SilentTheGray#2578 wrote: Don't forget the on death effects from mobs that GGG just loves for no good reason I HATE on death effects, please for the love of christ himself remove it from the game entirely, it's awful and a waste of everyone's time. It was a waste of developers time to even put it in the game "Let me just stand here in the corridor and wait for the deadly (?!?!) puddles of blood to finally disappear." - yep, and as usual: It penalizes melee classes and ranged classes can just not care and wait it out (boring, but at least not deadly). It's so absurd. GGG needs to not listen to player feedback so much, but ask themselves this very simple question when designing things: "How does the game benefit from this if it's implemented?" They have clearly NOT done that with some of these design decisions and they willy nilly off the hip decided some BS mechanics that sounded cool. They didn't test them, they didn't try them. Dying and losing the TIME you spent on something IS ENOUGH in Elden Ring, why can't that be good enough for GGG? When I die I don't need to also lose: - My friendships - All the loot - 15% EXP - My life savings - The death of a family member Feels like an air of pretentiousness that they think they can make a superior game by making it less challenging and more punishing. It's like they never looked at WHY challenging games are good and just copied the systems over from several of them trying to cobble them together and calling that an attempt. 100% agree with you on this one. My opinion is the same, Look at other soulslike and learn why they are so successful, they don't punish players this hard. GGG went all in on punishment. Oh you want to experiement with passive tree ? HAHAHA you can't respec completely because it is too costly. It is easier to start a new character from scratch then to try and remake a passive try by lvl 50 range. Remake not respec. Basically FORCING playerbase to copy streamers who have more time to find broken builds and make guides. Even if you manage to do all of this and reach late game, single death = YOU LOSE EVERYTHING!!	Posted by indrathetiger#7970 on Dec 14, 2024, 9:31:26 PM Quote this Post
When you die in POE 2, you should die in real life too. Otherwise not rewarding.	Posted by geetee79#4253 on Dec 14, 2024, 9:33:09 PM Quote this Post
XP penalty is fine.	Posted by Kashou#2868 on Dec 14, 2024, 9:39:21 PM Quote this Post
" geetee79#4253 wrote: When you die in POE 2, you should die in real life too. Otherwise not rewarding. Gonna be the quote of the year at GGG HQ at this point, they don't give a crap about rewards as long as it's punishing. Feels like the entire purpose of the game right now tbh They analyzed all the difficult and challenging games and took all of the bad things about them without thinking how those systems integrated, it's just weird. When I lose loot when I die I don't go "Oh wow must be something with my build probably" I go "that really sucks, maybe I need to stop playing for a few days because this developer doesn't give a shit about rewarding gameplay, they only want to punish people"	Posted by SilentTheGray#2578 on Dec 14, 2024, 9:40:06 PM Quote this Post
They should also make you lose all your gold and items too when you die. Why not just delete the character? Pump up those play times!	Posted by LadyValkyrie1#3750 on Dec 14, 2024, 9:50:26 PM Quote this Post
even fromsoftware lets you die and keep on trying here you die once and map is closed horrible design	Posted by cheeknee#5415 on Dec 14, 2024, 9:54:40 PM Quote this Post
" LadyValkyrie1#3750 wrote: They should also make you lose all your gold and items too when you die. Why not just delete the character? Pump up those play times! Tbf that's HC	Posted by Mr_Vagtastic#4761 on Dec 14, 2024, 9:54:53 PM Quote this Post
" cheeknee#5415 wrote: even fromsoftware lets you die and keep on trying here you die once and map is closed horrible design 100% agree, and Fromsoft keeps making award-winning AAA games it's almost like their design decisions work	Posted by SilentTheGray#2578 on Dec 14, 2024, 10:22:11 PM Quote this Post
I'm not there yet but I suspect that even with a fairly well geared character I'll run into issues around T7 [if not earlier]. While the game probably won't be "for me" I still want to hang in for a bit and see where it goes. I've uninstalled from my main gaming rig but I do have it on another and I'm making some [very slow] progression.	Posted by KingAlamar#4071 on Dec 14, 2024, 10:29:06 PM Quote this Post
" KingAlamar#4071 wrote: I'm not there yet but I suspect that even with a fairly well geared character I'll run into issues around T7 [if not earlier]. While the game probably won't be "for me" I still want to hang in for a bit and see where it goes. I've uninstalled from my main gaming rig but I do have it on another and I'm making some [very slow] progression. Definitely worth the wait and see, plus free forever so you can always come back. I've kinda just been waiting on the mapping situation to hit the fan so GGG will finally see most people aren't going to put up with their time being so heavily wasted and start making some changes. I don't want/need PoE 1 mapping, but at least make 2's fun.	Posted by Mr_Vagtastic#4761 on Dec 14, 2024, 10:35:32 PM Quote this Post