Is this math correct on my 5L zombies?

Although we don't know the exact damage of zombies, I figured I'd at least figure out how much more damage I'm doing over base, so I can compare different gem setups. Just want to make sure the math is right, and I understand the mechanics correctly:



3.1 (+210% Minion Damage total, including the gem) * 1.39 (Attack Speed) * 1.43 (More Physical Damage) * 1.2 (Raise Zombie level 17 bonus) * 1.36 (Added Fire Damage) = 9.63x damage (aka 863% more).

UPDATE: If I put them in a 4L, removing Faster Attacks, DPS drops to below 7x damage. That and Faster Attacks helps them get the hit off at all. So I think this may be better to put in a 5L than spectres.

[1.0 (minion base damage) x 3.1 (bonus from nodes) x 1.43 (melee physical damage) x 1.15 (minion more bonus) + 1.0 (minion base damage) x 3.1 (bonus from nodes) x 1.36 (added fire damage) x 1.15 (minion more bonus)] x 1.39 (attack speed) = (5.1 + 4.85) x 1.39 = 13.83

idk if my calculations are correct, but i got 1383% of your base damage.

i am more impressed about the colors you got on your 5l amazing really takes a while

I'm more surprised you went for a 5L zombie setup rather than a 5L spectre setup.

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Invalesco wrote:

[1.0 (minion base damage) x 3.1 (bonus from nodes) x 1.43 (melee physical damage) x 1.15 (minion more bonus) + 1.0 (minion base damage) x 3.1 (bonus from nodes) x 1.36 (added fire damage) x 1.15 (minion more bonus)] x 1.39 (attack speed) = (5.1 + 4.85) x 1.39 = 13.83

idk if my calculations are correct, but i got 1383% of your base damage.

Ya, you have multiple mistakes, whether I'm right or not.

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

I'm more surprised you went for a 5L zombie setup rather than a 5L spectre setup.

It came down to this... Do I want more life on my specters, or a damage multiplier on my zombies. As is, my spectres do the same amount of damage and have Life Leech. Why don't I put a damage multiplier on my spectres you say? Because they have GMP, which takes up a slot. Zombies use nothing but damage gems, and don't need anything else because I can just recast them easily. Specters though, it'd be silly not to put a 2nd defensive gem on them if they're in a 5L, with how important they are. I dunno, it's close. Any ideas better than what I have below? I was thinking Added Chaos Damage in the 5L, on top of these gems.

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PackersFTW wrote:

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

I'm more surprised you went for a 5L zombie setup rather than a 5L spectre setup.

It came down to this... Do I want more life on my specters, or a damage multiplier on my zombies. As is, my spectres do the same amount of damage and have Life Leech. Why don't I put a damage multiplier on my spectres you say? Because they have GMP, which takes up a slot. Zombies use nothing but damage gems, and don't need anything else because I can just recast them easily. Specters though, it'd be silly not to put a 2nd defensive gem on them if they're in a 5L, with how important they are. I dunno, it's close. Any ideas better than what I have below? I was thinking Added Chaos Damage in the 5L, on top of these gems.

Well, for starters, part of the reason why you don't go above a 4L on your zombies, and save the 5L for your spectres, is because Raise Zombie + Minion Life scales incredibly well at higher levels with +2 to minion gem helmets. We're talking the difference between 8k life and 11k life at gem level 16, and coupled with MI, that is a lot of damage to have on your expendable kamikazes.

Then there are the links with the spectre. I don't think I could be happy with less than two green links on my spectres, because almost every spectre I like (carrion queen, flame sentinel, voidbearer, sea sirens, undying incinerators) benefits immensely from both GMP and Faster Projectiles (seriously, I just took out faster projectiles for the first time in months on my spectres after I got a new chest and couldn't quite get GGBBR on it... immediately after the first map with my queens, I rushed to buy more chromatics and keep trying). Life leech is clearly another slot you really want to have (makes minion life nearly superfluous on the tougher spectres), so that leaves you with BB - spectres, and either minion damage or added chaos (added chaos for high-hits-per-second mobs like Voidbearers).

The fact is, you will never do as much damage with a pack of 5L zombies as you will with a good 5L spectre. Just give it a shot. It's amazing. Granted, a few spectres (Tittybitches, Incinerators, Burned Miscreations) don't really need that 5th link, but the best ones (queens, sentinels, voidbearers) do.

Couldnt check till i get home, but check the descriptions for each multiplier to see if they actually say "more" or "increased". remember anything that uses increased, whether the same mod or a different type of mod can be treated as additive, not multiplicative.

Also its difficult to judge without knowing zombies base damage stats. If they go up anything like their HP does, then +2 minion skills on a helm is worth more than a 5th support gem. Spectres on the other hand get minimal benefit from +2 skills.

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PackersFTW wrote:

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

I'm more surprised you went for a 5L zombie setup rather than a 5L spectre setup.

Just use pots that have 1500+ heal and give 50%+ to minions, and spect's hardly ever die in most circumstances. There is always exceptions tho. Then the zombies just need to be tanks.

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Bipolartuna wrote:

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PackersFTW wrote:

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

I'm more surprised you went for a 5L zombie setup rather than a 5L spectre setup.

Just use pots that have 1500+ heal and give 50%+ to minions, and spect's hardly ever die in most circumstances. There is always exceptions tho. Then the zombies just need to be tanks.

Huh? Most good spectres have so much life that those Pots do... well, nothing.