[PoE2] Suggestion: Expired League Characters should not Merge into Standard.

With the Current way Migration is handled, not really.

But Standard could become a defined experience outside of Leagues that isn't influenced by Item Power or Currency from Expired Leagues.
I think with the Goal to Appeal to a broader Player base - from casuals to Bitter vets - there should be a Place where people can tinker on their characters for a long time without pressure from League Items or Currency.

standard is great just the way it is, everything coming back and staying makes for a very interesting economy and game over time. standard as it exists is a very positive thing for leagues and leagues coming back to standard is a very positive thing for standard.

removing the merges would make for the most boring stagnant game and economy, and would mess with tons of people who like using standard the way its currently used. what people see as leagues spoiling the economy actually keeps the economy there afloat and stops is just collapsing in a way that would be far less desirable for them. in an economy you have to have a mechanism for taking money from extremely rich people and making it circulate again outside of their peer group. league merges and their item meta shifts do that. what cowmoo was saying is right, those item dumps help give new blood a way into standards economy and they do that by giving old blood something new to spend their currency on.






standard also effects leagues in a good way by making things going back to standard retain market value right to the end. hence keeping a leagues economy functional rather than it becoming an idiocy where nothing has any value and people are just mirroring white items for the lols en mass.

the sense of items in this game having value is massively aided by the spell of items in a league having trade value never being broken, because towards the end of the league a lot of people who care about standard will be there to buy up anything that goes under standards expected values.

this sense of items always having value beyond their function to the person who owns it, esp in leagues, is absolutely crucial to why poe feels different to almost all other arpgs, its fundamental to why so many people really really care about this game and all others just become a sidepiece.





the economy of items in standard right now is the most interesting economic space that has ever existed in an arog. the history of the items, the economy and the fact it is still very much functional after nearly 12 years now is a massive cred and asset to this game that they would be insane to remove from poe2.

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

SSF standard would solve the problem. Players could still mess around with their large collection of various league items but don't affect regular standard with it.
But at this point standard would be even more dead as it already so there's not really much to win or lose with whatever happens.

Standard is more alive than hardcore, Should hardcore go SSF?



But back on the topic, As long as they keep completely broken items from transferring out of the leagues (unmodified) i think its fine as is.

I can't even begin to describe how much I hate this idea. If everything were simply deleted at the end of temp leagues, I'd lose most of my motivation to play.

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AxiomOfAnarchy#7408 wrote:

I can't even begin to describe how much I hate this idea. If everything were simply deleted at the end of temp leagues, I'd lose most of my motivation to play.

In concept it would only be the leagues that did not go core which isn't too harsh but i was only entertaining the idea for discussion and in small part because of some mods that were introduced to standard during the crucible league do concern me here and there as to how it might adversely affect balance.

But GGG has already proven in many cases that they will modify league contents as needed , They may not be perfect with it but for the most part i can't really complain too much at least for the leagues i personally participated in, prior to that im not sure how much broken stuff made it in i was a purely standard player until incursion league.

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SilentSymphony#3358 wrote:

In concept it would only be the leagues that did not go core

The last time a temp league went core was two years ago, with sanctum league, and even that didn't quite make it into the core game as it existed in league, and it didn't go core until after the following league, crucible, so if your suggestion had been implemented at the time, none of the items from that league would've made it into standard.

The last time a temp league went core, as it existed in league, and right at the end of the temp league which introduced it, was more than three years ago with expedition league.

GGG has started removing core mechanics because it's gotten so cluttered, and temp leagues have only grown more complex, so leagues going core is going to be increasingly rare, and even when they do make it into core, it's probably not going to be as they existed in the temp league or right after the temp league that introduced them (which is when they'd have to go core to keep your items, if your suggested change were made).

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AxiomOfAnarchy#7408 wrote:

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SilentSymphony#3358 wrote:

In concept it would only be the leagues that did not go core

The last time a temp league went core was two years ago, with sanctum league, and even that didn't quite make it into the core game as it existed in league, and it didn't go core until after the following league, crucible, so if your suggestion had been implemented at the time, none of the items from that league would've made it into standard.

The last time a temp league went core, as it existed in league, and right at the end of the temp league which introduced it, was more than three years ago with expedition league.

GGG has started removing core mechanics because it's gotten so cluttered, and temp leagues have only grown more complex, so leagues going core is going to be increasingly rare, and even when they do make it into core, it's probably not going to be as they existed in the temp league or right after the temp league that introduced them (which is when they'd have to go core to keep your items, if your suggested change were made).

Well i was only concerned with 1 particular item from crucible league (exploding totems) i know there was aome other pretty powerful ones , i nabbed a few admittedly lol and if i had to be honest i'd be sad if they were gone.

Anywho, best to figure this stuff out before things are etched into stone right?

A lot of players play both, and the idea of a "standard" league is that everything you do and all progression you make (no matter the league) is somewhat permanent. You won't lose anything at the end of a league.

Separating these two leagues completely would force players to choose one or the other, and to be quite frank, I seriously doubt standard would end up in a "better" place.

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AxiomOfAnarchy#7408 wrote:

I can't even begin to describe how much I hate this idea. If everything were simply deleted at the end of temp leagues, I'd lose most of my motivation to play.

Im not saying it should be Deleted, they should just end in a separate pool, not connected to Standart.

if we're going there i ll repeat my suggestion

whenever we get a new temp league, have the temp league content be available on standard too.

however temp league challenges and kirac rewards can only be achieved and earned if the person chooses to play in the temp league.

reason: old player who wants a reason to continue playing POE1 but is sick and tired of refarming all my gear up each new temp league.

preemptive counter argument: "splitting up the user base/bad economy". i m at the point that i would not even play poe1. i contribute zero to either standard nor temp league. if this was implemented at least i would still be playing in standard and standard economy would move a little.

i would imagine there are other players like me who no longer want to be a "sweater" grinding hours in a new league refarming everything, but playing on standard without new league content is stale.

last epoch is doing something like this.

ggg already borrowed a lot of concepts from last epoch. please steal last epoch's "cycles".