Group based SSF..... GSF...

Do private league and play it.

We've been doing GSF since Private Leagues were introduced back in Ritual league. Every single season there's a "Discount League" where we play with 30-60 people, and every time it's a blast. No trade hassle, limited environment. Hang out with same people in one global chat. Discuss on Discord. Share tips and tricks, loot, glory. Great fun.

@Alhazred: We set rules and code of conduct ourselves. Whomever doesn't want to abide by that gets the boot. Simple as.

With this already being possible (and very affordable), I don't think you have to make it a separate option

There's just a lack of self control or something at play here....

I still don't understand the difference between OP's desire and private leagues. In fact, I don't think there IS a difference. For some reason, they just want a toggle that disables trade.

The toggle exists: "don't use trade". The economy, gameplay, and basically everything else between a GSF and a private league would be exactly the same.

Presumably (imo), private leagues cost real money because if they were free, they would fragment the "main" game modes way too much. Otherwise, there'd be no real reason to charge for them. And if that's true (which I think it is), then GGG would NEVER implement a GSF separate league available to everyone because it literally works antithetically to already-existing private leagues.

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alhazred70 wrote:

so a long time ago 99% of ARPG players were effectively SSF but could group. This was how Diablo and D2 both worked trade was only for sweats on a certain famous forum.

lmao what?

Did you even play Diablo 2 my guy? Literally nobody was solo except the ultranoobs, and I literally do not know a single person who ever built one of the good runewords without trade. Last Wish takes 3 Jah runes, which would take someone (on average) ONE AND A HALF MILLION Hell Mephisto runs to acquire. A Zod rune drops from Baal less than once every THREE MILLION kills.

Those are not numbers for an SSF game, you are either remembering the game very incorrectly or you never made it past Hell Duriel.

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Pashid wrote:

I mean you did start to claim that there are 6 hard modes and one easy mode and you've been simply proven wrong.

I am positive I'm not the first one to tell you that just because you say something doesn't mean its true.

You've proven nothing, the very fact that you think there's no difference means its a waste of time arguing with you. Because you're making a bad faith argument.

I'm simply not going to waste time with illogical statements and proclamations of proof of things that are self evidently wrong.

A few posts back I explained why some people might want GSF because it closely resmebles the historical default way of playing the seminal ARPG's Diablo and D2.

If you don't want that just say that instead of making bad faith arguments.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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alhazred70 wrote:

so a long time ago 99% of ARPG players were effectively SSF but could group. This was how Diablo and D2 both worked trade was only for sweats on a certain famous forum.

lmao what?

Did you even play Diablo 2 my guy? Literally nobody was solo except the ultranoobs, and I literally do not know a single person who ever built one of the good runewords without trade. Last Wish takes 3 Jah runes, which would take someone (on average) ONE AND A HALF MILLION Hell Mephisto runs to acquire. A Zod rune drops from Baal less than once every THREE MILLION kills.

Those are not numbers for an SSF game, you are either remembering the game very incorrectly or you never made it past Hell Duriel.

This is called projection. You're assuming everyone played the way you did or the way you've heard that people play. The reality of D2's trade forum pop and POE's trading metrics as discussed by Chris himself do no support your feelings on the matter.

Because most people who bother to be on a forum about a game (a tiny %) share a similar viewpoint its easy to project that onto an average player. Its notable that you use a lot of attempts at elitist and insulting language here as well. Kinda defensive if you ask me. I'm not at all afraid to not be a sweaty gamer type and in my mind elitism over (effectively) having more time or desire to meta game then someone else; is far from impressive or flattering.

Chris Wilson is on record saying that the majority of POE players "seldom or never trade" in context of INVESTED PLAYERS and only a tiny subset of D2's known playerbase ever made a a forum gold account on "the site not to be named because it will be removed by support".

Its always hard to talk about real use cases with the subset of heavy trading meta players who think everyone traded because they did. But its okay we have Chris Wilson's words which would of course have massive representative crossover to D2. In fact I would expect far more POE players as a percentage to trade regularly than D2 simply due to differences in "friction". But even if its identical its still a majority. And the numbers of people on that D2 trading site do not in any way suggest a freakish majority of D2 players were on it.