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jsuslak313 wrote:
Consider the following two scenarios:

1) 150c -> 1 divine, 500d -> 1 mirror

2) 225c -> 1 d, 500d -> 1 mirror

3) 225c -> 1d, 1000d -> 1 mirror

First, you need to understand that the MARKET created these exchange rates, based on buying power and item values.

Second, consider 1 vs. 2. What does this translate to? In 1, chaos were worth MORE. Divines are not worth less because d to m is the same. Mirror value does not change (last time there was a mirror issue was first week of watch stones and harbingers).

Compare 2 vs 3: divines are worth less in 3.

Compare 1 vs 3: BOTH chaos and divines are worth less in 3. It is THIS scenario that was Affliction. It doesn't matter that each divine trades for more chaos.... The value is still much less.


***Ed: sorry I walked away from my computer and left this somewhat incomplete***

Now lets add items into the mix, lets say a Head Hunter. In 1 it was established by the market that headhunter was trading for 100d (or 1500c). Logically, all else staying the same, it would hold the SAME value in the next league 2, only NOW its worth 100d (same) BUT 2250c. De-valued Chaos Orb. NOT devalued divine.

Lets look at how that is playing out in our current league. We KNOW the currency ratios between Affliction and current league. We can then compare HH price (in divines) between the two leagues. Guess what we find? The HH is drastically lower in value (thanks to the league shenanigans) BUT the currencies, by ratio, are still worth MORE than previous league.

BOTH currency inflation AND itemization devaluing can and do happen simultaneously. Inflation is the metric shown via currency exchange rates. Itemization devaluing is shown by the item price, which is already naturally taking into account the "value" of the currency at the time.

But it is INFLATION that is the underlying current of ALL pricing in trade. If divines are less valuable (affliction), prices are higher: seen in the locus of corruption price being 6x what it is now. Presumably....the value of the locus HAS NOT CHANGED. There has not been any new mechanic introduced that offers double corruptions.


What if you live in California and I live in Missouri?
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JunkHeadJoePC wrote:

What if you live in California and I live in Missouri?


Well see now you are asking the REAL questions!

First we need to consider the letters of the alphabet and how they match up to ancient chinese mathematical systems....and then we need to take into consideration how the VALUE of, example, the letter "C" changes in relation to the vowels which are the TRUE indicator of alphabetical value.

And then we need to take those values, and the political corruption of each state naturally falls into those set parameters based on free alphabet-use. As such, the Locus of Corruption is valued accordingly

And then of course, all of this is limited by what DJT is wearing at that time of day


But really this is all just straight up common knowledge that even a 5 year old can tell you!
Last edited by jsuslak313 on Apr 23, 2024, 7:57:17 AM
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jsuslak313 wrote:
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JunkHeadJoePC wrote:

What if you live in California and I live in Missouri?


Well see now you are asking the REAL questions!

First we need to consider the letters of the alphabet and how they match up to ancient chinese mathematical systems....and then we need to take into consideration how the VALUE of, example, the letter "C" changes in relation to the vowels which are the TRUE indicator of alphabetical value.

And then we need to take those values, and the political corruption of each state naturally falls into those set parameters based on free alphabet-use. As such, the Locus of Corruption is valued accordingly

And then of course, all of this is limited by what DJT is wearing at that time of day


But really this is all just straight up common knowledge that even a 5 year old can tell you!


You finally said something I can understand. I feel we've turned a corner in our forum relationship.
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Aynix wrote:
You made this giant essay forgeting one crucial thing that makes all of it invalid. Most people do that because they like gambling. Not because its best way to profit.
Mathematically you always lose in a casino. DOes it stop people from going there?


I mean that's true but in PoE terms you basically always win if you are willing to do something the majority find tedious via buying and land within any kind of statistical norm.

players never factor in the price differential which is what those that are willing get paid by those that aren't. Its pretty much the driving force behind the economy most leagues though and it just breaks down when too many players are willing the margins become zero.
Last edited by Draegnarrr on Apr 23, 2024, 4:19:24 PM
Perfect example of it is price of Mageblood cards. The Apothecary will always be worth more than 1/5th of Mageblood because people buy those cards to gamle it with Harvest.
People looooove gambling in PoE.
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Aynix wrote:
Perfect example of it is price of Mageblood cards. The Apothecary will always be worth more than 1/5th of Mageblood because people buy those cards to gamle it with Harvest.
People looooove gambling in PoE.


Hehe.....this is NEVER true. Nice try though. The cards are nearly always CHEAPER than the item itself. It is pretty common practice to buy cards INSTEAD of the actual item because you always save money that way. As someone who has done this pretty much every single league since cards were released....I can tell you this with nearly 100% certainty

Even RIGHT NOW online.....cheapest apothecary on the market 19d

Cheapest 4flask mageblood (the only one that really matters) is 103d

If you are going to just straight up be wrong....at least try to put a BIT more effort into it

HH: cheapest at around 990c
Doctor Card: 99c

Do I really need to sit here and go through every one of them? I can almost guarantee that you are wrong for EVERY SINGLE chase unique div card
Last edited by jsuslak313 on Apr 23, 2024, 8:57:15 PM
My dude, cards are not giving you 4 flask MB. THey give you RANDOM one. So stop comparing price of the best outcome because its just plain stupid.

Mageblood currently - 100-102 div
Apothecary - 21 div.
And the diffrence will only get bigger and bigger because further into the league, the more people stop caring about their currency and just want to gamble for fun.
Lets take affliction - at the end of the league card weas 29.2 div and the MB was 130 div. Buying 5 cards would cost you 16 div more.
Need more? Lets take HOuse of Mirrors vs Mirror
Card - 190 div
Mirror 1150 div
You need 9 cards which would cost you 1710 div. 560 MORE divs.

If buying cards would be cheaper than selling the outcome, people would just buy cards and sell the outcome for easy money. TO thinkg that cards will be cheaper you need to be new to PoE.
Last edited by Aynix on Apr 24, 2024, 4:12:51 AM

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