Affliction Corpses!

First,

I just want to thank GGG for the minion side of things this league.
The corpses that were added in this league have been nothing but phenomenal additions to minion play.

The auras and effects that are now provided can help alleviate some of the socket pressure problems that these types of builds can run into as these are generally gated behind extremely high level crafted mods, such as double influenced helmets and mana reservation efficiency mods, which can become extremely expensive.

Outside of just support, the corpses also provide many ideas for possible main spectre builds with powerful options like the hydra and cool interactions like the pain artist.

Second,

I would like to open up the possibility to add these types of corpses to core! I think these add plenty of different options from the normal, and very boring, frenzy/power charge apes and the drox mob for support options and promote more build possibilities as well as open other options for permanent spectre builds.

I understand that leagues come with borrowed power, and I could see the argument that these corpses are on the line for that. Personally I think the ascendancies/charms/tintures are more in line with borrowed power than the corpses are, and I would not expect those to be core.

Would be pretty cool to see if they went core somehow though!

Leagues not stopping for me, having a blast.

There's no chance these spectres are going core. For multiple times in a row, GGG has done nothing except nerf spectres. They nerfed spectre cap multiple times by making you require high gem levels, they nerfed a good DPS spectre into irrelevance (Redeeming Sentry), and they fixed an exploit which enabled another DPS spectre (Syndicate Operative) and is now useless as a result.

Given the long string of nerfs, there's little reason they would want to add these spectres. Read through your own OP. Spectres adding auras? Effects that buff certain playstyles or even other minions? The best support spectres we have in core are Pale Seraphim, Arena Master, and the charge chieftains. None of them utilize anything more complex than "make de/buff".

Why would GGG give spectres more powercreep, especially when they appear so keen on making sure they're only good for middling utility?

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Pizzarugi wrote:

There's no chance these spectres are going core. For multiple times in a row, GGG has done nothing except nerf spectres. They nerfed spectre cap multiple times by making you require high gem levels, they nerfed a good DPS spectre into irrelevance (Redeeming Sentry), and they fixed an exploit which enabled another DPS spectre (Syndicate Operative) and is now useless as a result.

Yea I guess they nerfed things in the past, and thats something that was approached differently this league though. And sometimes things from leagues go core.

The syndicate operative with its shotgun effect was an exploit so... Generally exploits get... fixed ??

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Given the long string of nerfs, there's little reason they would want to add these spectres. Read through your own OP. Spectres adding auras? Effects that buff certain playstyles or even other minions? The best support spectres we have in core are Pale Seraphim, Arena Master, and the charge chieftains. None of them utilize anything more complex than "make de/buff".

Yea, ok great. But they added corpses this league, and sometimes things from leagues go core. Pale seraphim wouldnt be an option had they not added scourge mobs to the game.

Theres a lot in affliction, I dont expect the wildwood at large ie: (Charms/Tintures/Ascendancies/Little baggy) to go core as they are a form of high borrowed power.

Spectre availability from the corpses, it's 50/50 though in them being labeled "borrowed power". As yea they can provide more power and they come from the league mechanic.

But as we have pointed out, and I am sure GGG is aware, spectre play core is nonexistent and in need of some additions. Core wise you have 3-4 utility spectres that are all over the place (acts/influenced end game map/rng Scourge mobs) and mostly there for brief moments of support that you cant control when it happens. And running permanent offense spectre's is mostly empty as an archetype.

These corpses that were added fix these issues.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Why would GGG give spectres more powercreep, especially when they appear so keen on making sure they're only good for middling utility?

Stuff is hit or miss when it goes core who knows. Glass half full thinking I suppose.

I dont expect them to but I am suggesting they do as what they currently have is amazing play!

make some of them smaller please so that they can fit through doors and so that people can see themselves (serpent warriors x8 is quite a lot on the screen)

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Why would GGG give spectres more powercreep, especially when they appear so keen on making sure they're only good for middling utility?

Because it's cool content that they put effort into designing. They're already balanced by rarity (one does not simply grab a naval officer or a forest tiger) so if they're unhappy with everyone running them they could make some of the common ones a bit more rare as well.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

make some of them smaller please so that they can fit through doors

do you not have convocation, exile?

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Miathan51 wrote:

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Why would GGG give spectres more powercreep, especially when they appear so keen on making sure they're only good for middling utility?

Because it's cool content that they put effort into designing. They're already balanced by rarity (one does not simply grab a naval officer or a forest tiger) so if they're unhappy with everyone running them they could make some of the common ones a bit more rare as well.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

make some of them smaller please so that they can fit through doors

do you not have convocation, exile?

Course i do, generally ill run with increase recovery rate on it even, but they shouldn't be getting stuck on doors when they are as weak as they are and they are so big in some cases their melee range cant make up for it.

its flashy and gets people excited, but is it good content? I wish i could help GGG smooth these bumps out as the only thing i play is raise spectre on every class in the game.

This was a great patch and GGG deserves some praise but what they could accomplish with better feedback before release from people who actually use these systems would be so much greater than what you see here with just a few small modifications many of these spectres would not only be viable but not a nuisance upon all that view them.

I had to abandon all of them because they are just too much on all accounts, too loud, too big and too weak for the ones i wanted to use anyway, I'm sure hydra is busted if properly supported as well as a couple others (shadow construct laser is not bad ^^)

GGG needs experienced players helping them pre-release to avoid some of these issues.

I dont use... or even has space for convocation.


What are they getting stuck on exactly?

I see it happen sometimes but 99% of the time its fixed by a simple flame dash or movement



For reference I run

Miscreation, Judgemental spirit, Warlord, Hydra, and Spirit of fortune.

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Chickenwink wrote:

I dont use... or even has space for convocation.


What are they getting stuck on exactly?

I see it happen sometimes but 99% of the time its fixed by a simple flame dash or movement



For reference I run

Miscreation, Judgemental spirit, Warlord, Hydra, and Spirit of fortune.

shrine doors mostly when i was still using the serpent warriors

Most doors like in solaris/lunaris, please keep in mind i run 8 spectres of the same type so that i can invest into their dps so when they have issues i get to notice them very quickly as i have many to observe.

There are some upsides to this oversized spectre situation such as you can literally block things from reaching you 100% inside content and be completely invulnerable if they are melee, its pretty exploitable if one wanted to exploit it but that would be very boring for me much like that perma-invisible build from way back some people were using.

I really dont see the issue. Especially if you are able to fit in convocation, then it really isnt an issue at all.

If you are going out of your way to choose maps with many doors then try not doing that? Pretty much noone favors those types of maps in the game because of this issue, its not spectre/minion specific what you are describing.

Doors are something that most builds that arent projectile based have to deal with.

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Chickenwink wrote:

I really dont see the issue. Especially if you are able to fit in convocation, then it really isnt an issue at all.

If you are going out of your way to choose maps with many doors then try not doing that? Pretty much noone favors those types of maps in the game because of this issue, its not spectre/minion specific what you are describing.

Doors are something that most builds that arent projectile based have to deal with.

Lets examine this.. Its not an issue because:

-nobody plays these maps(rolls eyes)
-its not a spectre issue(these are raised spectres)

wut?

It is a general issue that would have easily been found had anyone at GGG tested them past the very niche meta-zoo builds which of course almost nobody is going to notice that is not a dedicated spectre player who has to carefully manage where their monsters are and how they are navigating through levels to effectively clear in a variety of settings and these are melee-minions that are getting stuck not ranged minions.

We don't have to agree but our builds are also very differient, I am on a pure spectre dps build managing a specific set of minions and you are not, Of course you're going to have a very differient experience especially with from what i can see only one oversized minion, Your warlord leap slams, the judgemental spirit is flying and your spirit of fortune might as well have noclip in addition to teleporting so.. your hydra has nothing to be stuck on and even if the very rare circumstance that it could get stuck did happen its a ranged unit.