Ultimatum bit overtuned?

this was in a tier 4 WHITE map. i am playing RF and have 87(185) fire res and i choose the thing that deals fire damage. it just 1 shot me in the third round

and no i dont have the atlas nodes that make it harder

I was oneshot by direct damage effects too. Not remember anything like it back in ultimatum league. They've made much less monsters inside, but instead these untargetable "traps" screw everyone who is not a passive regen tank. Leech and other active recovery won't help, which is bad balance, all sources of recovery should work to some extent

cause you're supposed to dodge the trap attacks, and not face tank them on a squishy build.

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Pashid wrote:

cause you're supposed to dodge the trap attacks, and not face tank them on a squishy build.

Did you miss the bit about it being a t4 white map? About them having 87% fire res? The bit about them playing RF? That's not a "squishy" build, and it was specifically fire damage, which was mitigated 48% above and beyond the norm of a 75% resistance. To have that level of defense completely trivialized by the content is bad enough, but the fact it was a t4 white map makes it even worse.

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AxiomOfAnarchy wrote:

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Pashid wrote:

cause you're supposed to dodge the trap attacks, and not face tank them on a squishy build.

Did you miss the bit about it being a t4 white map? About them having 87% fire res? The bit about them playing RF? That's not a "squishy" build, and it was specifically fire damage, which was mitigated 48% above and beyond the norm of a 75% resistance. To have that level of defense completely trivialized by the content is bad enough, but the fact it was a t4 white map makes it even worse.

t4 that's just straight up out of the campaign and tells you that the player likely has barely any mentionable good/optimized gear. Having just some max res ain't everything after all.

In my case it was Standard T16 with 75% fire res. However from lengthy experience of playing this build vs all kinds of content and different patches, only things that could ever onetap me like that were specific pinnacle boss attacks, swarms of fire-based blight mobs left unchecked with their projectiles, or powerful physical damage from any source, since I lacked phys dmg mitigation.

This is why I think either ulti traps are grossly overtuned for something that cannot be attacked and can spawn 15+ copies at once as the ulti goes on, or they mistakenly deal physical damage, not fire or lightning. Or they penetrate resistances like some AN mods, which would explain how RF build got onetapped too.

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Pashid wrote:

t4 that's just straight up out of the campaign and tells you that the player likely has barely any mentionable good/optimized gear. Having just some max res ain't everything after all.

So a player with 12% extra fire res above the normal resistance cap encounters damage specifically against that resistance and gets one shot by it, in a T4 map encounter, and your reasoning is that their gear must be garbage because it's a T4 map?

Yes, their gear is likely not great at that point, so why are encounters at that level so grossly overtuned? If someone with 87% fire resistance is getting one shot in a T4 map, how the hell is someone with only 75% fire resistance (which is the norm, if not a bit above the norm, for someone just getting out of the campaign) supposed to handle that encounter? And do you think if he had 90% fire res, which is the maximum possible regardless of how good your gear is, that would've somehow made a difference? Should he also have had a ton of "fire damage taken as" modifiers to help mitigate penetration, in a T4 map?

If you don't think that's overtuned for a T4 map, what exactly would you consider overtuned? Perhaps uber maven should show up with maven-empowered uber uber elder and the uber cortex boss, just randomly in white maps now? Would even that qualify as overtuned in your book, or no?

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AxiomOfAnarchy wrote:

Should he also have had a ton of "fire damage taken as" modifiers to help mitigate penetration, in a T4 map?

i had that also. i am using cloak of flame and dawnbreaker.

I don't know, my group of friends are already clearing all 10 waves in yellow maps. Probably a skill issue? Ultimatum stuff was never meant to be tanked.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

I don't know, my group of friends are already clearing all 10 waves in yellow maps. Probably a skill issue? Ultimatum stuff was never meant to be tanked.

why cant i tank fire mobs with 87% fire res? i can do it everywhere else