Ethereal Knives Range

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hoyke wrote:

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MastermindJapan wrote:

What's more jarring is the absolute lack of response from GGG on the state of the base gem.

There's obviously an error or bug with the gem as returning projectile interaction is messed up and the gem actually worked when used with the Sawblade MTX.

Instead of fixing the underlying issue, GGG just "broke" the Sawblade MTX as well so it's also messed up.

Apparently someone tested in standard with Nimis and the base EK gem does not work with Nimis - which should show that it is indeed a bug with the gem.

PLEASE FIX THIS GGG.

They did respond. The title of this thread is ek range. The only thing that was bugged about ek range was sawblades mtx. Which gave it more range without investment than original EK with investment. They already fixed that. Making sure the game is not p2w is far from messed up.

There are two issues brought up in this thread. EK range/projectile speed and EK not returning projectiles.

EK gem losing range/projectile speed is not a bug. It's an intended change, it's in the patch notes. The OP was about this. People who were in this thread crying about this nerf, they're in the wrong place. This forum is for actual bugs.

EK not returning projectiles is the bug. It's not a change mentioned in the patch notes. EK is a projectile skill with projectile tag. It is supposed to work. As you said, it doesn't work with return proj gem and nimis.

I think the problem is that GGG sees this as just another crying post, because more people were spamming about proj speed. Return proj is the actual bug and it got covered by all the crying.

The range/proj speed is STILL bugged though, it's not just the return that's bugged.

Compare the base range and speed between the regular version and the trans version (lingering blades), you'll see it's nowhere close to what it's supposed to be. And the lingering blades version doesn't have extra proj speed on it either.

There are two separate (although probably related) issues with the base gem, which have to be addressed.

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can we play the video game yet ggg please?

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There's a noticeable difference in projectile travel distance and projectile speed between "Ethereal Knives of Lingering Blades" and normal "Ethereal Knives" or "Ethereal Knives of the Massacre". "Lingering Blades" being the fastest and longest distance.
Normal and "of the Massacre" "Ethereal Knives" do not return even with +244% projectile speed modifier.
Has anyone tested if skill effect duration increases EK's travel distance? EK's gem lost duration tag.
Well, I wait for the official statement from GGG on this.

UPDATE:
I've tested the projectile speed modifier for normal "Ethereal Knives" and projectiles start to return at around +320% increased projectile speed. For +315% they still don't return. At +321% they do return.

However for normal and "of the Massacre" version at +320% proj speed it doesn't fire correctly in the cirlcle. Instead it fires in 4 different cones, in different directions (almost like volley support in front and back of you, and multiple projectiles support in 2 sides of you - see the image).

EDIT2: To the above: My mistake, because I haven't noticed my wand has a "Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 16 Volley". It fires correctly in a circle


I'll try to record some footage of returning projectiles if I manage to find a working app to do so.

Anyway, I still think it's bugged.

UPDATE2:
Recorded some footage with all EK versions and the threshold for returning seems to be around 250% projectile speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_SEJpmZj8

UPDATE3:
Tested if returning projectiles hit the enemy and they do, so it works. I also confirmed with "The Golden Rule" jewel that poison is applied on returning projectiles as well. So all versions hit twice and apply poison twice.
Started testing proj speed again for "of the Massacre" version, because 259% from the footage was a lot smaller than 321% I got earlier. My conclusion is that projectile speed depends on the projectile direction relative to the cursor. Projectiles in front of you are faster than projectiles behind you, that's why I've got 2 different results. So for projectiles behind you the threshold is bigger. Also I've found a strange spot in "The Coast" on the ledge and projectiles returning from the water side are flying sharply up. I'll try to record some more of that later.

UPDATE4:
So the projectile speed variance for "of the Massacre" version seems to be an error in my testing. I'm doing it on "The Coast" and my screen resolution is too small to see returning projectiles. Return point is way above my character and projectiles behind me are simply shooting up off screen.

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Aqualius1410 wrote:

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There's a noticeable difference in projectile travel distance and projectile speed between "Ethereal Knives of Lingering Blades" and normal "Ethereal Knives" or "Ethereal Knives of the Massacre". "Lingering Blades" being the fastest and longest distance.
Normal and "of the Massacre" "Ethereal Knives" do not return even with +244% projectile speed modifier.
Has anyone tested if skill effect duration increases EK's travel distance? EK's gem lost duration tag.
Well, I wait for the official statement from GGG on this.


UPDATE:
I've tested the projectile speed modifier for normal "Ethereal Knives" and projectiles start to return at around +320% increased projectile speed. For +315% they still don't return. At +321% they do return.
However for normal and "of the Massacre" version at +320% proj speed it doesn't fire correctly in the cirlcle. Instead it fires in 4 different cones, in different directions (almost like volley support in front and back of you, and multiple projectiles support in 2 sides of you - see the image).

I'll try to record some footage of returning projectiles if I manage to find a working app to do so.

Anyway, I still think it's bugged.

Lmao that's so bugged. Thank you for doing the research that ggg is for some reason incapable of doing.

The fact that this is far away the most viewed bug report on the thread and ggg has been silent on is wild.

Bump, please let me use my main skill today. Thank you!

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Bought nimis, still doesnt work, still sad.