Cross trading Policy between HC trade and Standard

It's no surprise to anyone that rare and valuable league-specific items are being siphoned from Hardcore (HC) trade into Standard. This common practice has existed for almost a decade, despite trading between temporary leagues and Standard being strictly forbidden.

Some might argue that if you die with your gear, it shouldn't be too big of an issue. However, no one in HC trade is intentionally engaging in high-risk content on a level 2 character with an inventory filled with high-value items.

In previous leagues, the HC trade economy was negatively impacted by multiple Original Sin rings that were auctioned for exorbitant amounts of Standard currency. Not to mention, there's a clear indication of real-money trading (RMT) behind many of these transactions. Most veteran HC trade players can identify the individuals responsible for these actions, and experienced Softcore (SC) trade players are well aware of the Standard players who demand first access to league currency and premium items. It doesn't require much deduction to figure this out.

This wouldn't be a significant issue for me or many others if it didn't have such a detrimental effect on the economy. Our community comprises skilled players with high demands but not enough supply for many items. When a new league launches, we have to start from scratch to acquire these items, while Standard players who have been hoarding legacy items and Mirrors for a decade (and sometimes dual wielding credit cards) can simply offer absurd amounts of currency for anything they need from temporary leagues. The consequence is hyperinflation of prices, an unfair overall trading experience for majority of the players, and a significant gateway for RMTers to conduct their business through a seemingly "legitimate" method.

It's refreshing that some content creators are giving HC trade a chance after years of SSF being the dominant meta. They are more than welcome and make a valuable addition to the economy. However, this hasn't solved the supply and demand issue because, regardless of how much they generate, the demand for these items in Standard is virtually unlimited, especially early on when there's a race to reforge Mirror-tier items or obtain build enabling uniques.

With all of that being said, a few knowledgeable players have proposed that characters that die in HC trade should be placed in a void league and later migrated into Standard when the migration of SC trade happens as well. It's not a perfect solution, but it would certainly have a positive impact on the temporary league's economy. I would love to hear any other ideas because, as things stand, I believe only those engaging in these questionable practices will be content with maintaining the status quo.

It would also be great to know what GGG's stance is on this issue after ten years of publicly forbidding such transactions, even though they can still occur by filling an inventory of a level 2 character and deliberately dying on the beach.

tldr: People bypass GGG's rules of cross trading by dying, making hc trade economy worse for everyone else.

I for one am still trying to understand why the bridge exists at all...

I mean, HC mode was supposed to be about permadeath, yes?
The obvious thing to do is simply when a HC character die, its deleted, and it dont matter if it was SSF, league or a standard HC character, it was HC, so death=deletion. Its name and achieves are still there, but everything else about the character are gone and not recoverable, thats why its HC in the first place, yes? Why giving that revive to characters that were supposed to be about "death is like in real life" if just beyond me

Even less sense is the tranfer of stuff the character had on: The character returning as a standard character, but naked: stripped of all material stuff like someone reincarnating would be would already be quite counter to hardcore concept, but character returning with all stuff it had on is just... only explanation is some people on GGG are involved with the real money selling of stuff on standard, because THAT just dont make any shred of sense no matter the angle you view it from

it is not crossleague trading if the currency stays on std

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PyleWarlord wrote:

it is not crossleague trading if the currency stays on std

^ This.

Ackchyually...
I think everyone understands the currency stays in Standard, and thats not whats in point on the discussion. Its the possibility to offer standard currency for temp league goods, sure you have to rip it to standard and everything stays there, but you are purposedly siphoning prime good out of an already small economy because you are getting a better deal from standard people (obviously since they can offer a lot more) instead of selling to joe in hc trade that just league start and even tho he's rich, he will never be standard rich in a week lmao.

All im proposing is that goods get migrated to standard at the same time from Hc trade and from Sc trade to preserve their economy for as long as possible during temp leagues, even tho we know the closer it gets to migration, closer the prices get to standard already, which is understandable.

Majority of the league we had more hinekora's locks being listed in standard than in league, you guys might be able to understand, even if you come from softcore, how frustrating it might be to try to enjoy a new thing from a league but its 50d per use because the price inflated by Standard's demand. Not to mention how many of those go straight to RMT deals as well...

So i know its easy to reduce the discussion to a single sentence about killing your character with items being a legitimate way bypass trading restrictions between temp and permanent leagues, but i ask you to try to understand the full scope of the issues and the impacts of the majority of the players there because of these few people/groups that engage on this.

What the matter that i gain the currency in HC temp league, trade with other , and then by accident i died........


As you said, it happens for a decade...

Hardcore Challenge League should TRANSFER to Standard Challenge League on death and anything short of this is just insulting to anyone who actually played Standard Challenge League to take money home to Standard versus Hardcore players who don't care about standard in the slightest dumping/trading their gear back into hardcore.

hardcore players say: It'l ruin our economy

what about standards economy? trade value goes down very quickly when demand has been met.

They get a 3 month head start on everyone else, Any chances you had of selling a rare item for the highest price already went out the window to a hardcore player most of the time.

All standard players get in their own gamemode is scraps at best because of this exploit, I was a standard player from 2013-incursion league and when i did start playing leagues it was to BRING MONEY TO MY HOME GAMEMODE.

After synthesis league i was pretty disgusted that i could not sell almost anything even though i had some of the rarest items from it many people had already purchased these items weeks/months prior and often at much higher rates than we'll ever see come league end returning to our own parent league.

you know the cross trading between temp league is allowed?

Which one is more broken? SC temp league currency for HC temp league item , or HC temp league currency for HC temp league item, but somehow the item by accident gone to Standard?

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neohongkong wrote:

you know the cross trading between temp league is allowed?

Which one is more broken? SC temp league currency for HC temp league item , or HC temp league currency for HC temp league item, but somehow the item by accident gone to Standard?

Its not allowed that would mean GGG officially supports that behavior, Its simply not punished and warned to be "at your own risk" as per their statement on the matter so long ago.

and in general just like with the streamers getting head starts nobody should be able to skip ahead in line, Hardcore should be no different especially when its at the cost of the people who's parent league actually is Standard.

No. Cross league between temp and permanent league is black and white not allowed (ie you can't just pay someone a mirror in Standard league and got 1/2 mirror back in temp league)


Cross league between temp leagues is allowed (or between permanent leagues)