Guardian Ascendancy passive skills Radiant Crusade and Unwavering Crusade tooltips

To me they look pretty strong. 30 base aoe is huge (Ice Nova). The relics are perfect in a holy relic/herald of purity build. I was thinking to play miner on league start but this build looks juicy.


Also stealing the relics in an inquisitor crit build could be spicy

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Rothulean wrote:

Theyre still free auras.

Free how? You have to spend ascendancy points on it i.e. opportunity cost.

Those auras are going to be very bad versions of self casted auras as well. No generosity, aura affect, aura aoe etc. It's very hard to actually utilize those auras as well. You're going to see a 4-5% damage increase per aura on most minion builds.

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Rothulean wrote:

And the Sentinel will make the campaign a complete joke, even with just a 1k dps aura.

The campaign is already a joke. That would be the least of my concerns when picking an ascendancy...

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mariox1011 wrote:

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Rothulean wrote:

Theyre still free auras.

Free how? You have to spend ascendancy points on it i.e. opportunity cost.

Those auras are going to be very bad versions of self casted auras as well. No generosity, aura affect, aura aoe etc. It's very hard to actually utilize those auras as well. You're going to see a 4-5% damage increase per aura on most minion builds.

I would assume the aruras level with you. So level 20s aura at some point. So it should be a 50% more damage boost at minimum provided you attack or cast quick enough. I ma sure it will become meta once someone figure out hwo to min max it.

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Thesuffering wrote:

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mariox1011 wrote:

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Rothulean wrote:

Theyre still free auras.

Free how? You have to spend ascendancy points on it i.e. opportunity cost.

Those auras are going to be very bad versions of self casted auras as well. No generosity, aura affect, aura aoe etc. It's very hard to actually utilize those auras as well. You're going to see a 4-5% damage increase per aura on most minion builds.

I would assume the aruras level with you. So level 20s aura at some point. So it should be a 50% more damage boost at minimum provided you attack or cast quick enough. I ma sure it will become meta once someone figure out hwo to min max it.

Explain the 50% more damage part. Which build would that be?

If the base auras were a 50% more damage multiplier you would use them with aura effect passives/generosity.

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mariox1011 wrote:

Explain the 50% more damage part. Which build would that be?

If the base auras were a 50% more damage multiplier you would use them with aura effect passives/generosity.

People do use all 3 but it comes at the cost of survivability because you woudlnt be able to get determination. But lets use zombies for the explanation.

16-248 lightning damage+ 25% phys as extra cold damage + 18% increased codl damage+ 109=155 fire damage.

Zombies at level 25 do 627-1463. So it will + ~180-450 cold damage + 16-248 lightning and 109-155 fire damage. All up it will be ~920-~2300 damage.

Nah they don't give that much, aura effect is the go-to for that brand of summoner and these auras won't compete. You are right about the opportunity cost though which is appealing to me on HC, i'm not sure its better than what other ascendancies provide though.

I'm going to league start it because i'm a moron, i'd already made a tree ready intended to be holy relic though and they have no synergy with that at all so it might have to be converted to SRS.

Which isn't a bad thing I love SRS i've played more of that than any other build, but skipped it when they made it auto OP :p

I'm honestly more concerned about the other two notables for the ascendancy, its got anti-synergy with the aura stacking nodes and the others are really underwhelming (link skill specific ascendancy node is gross), variable curse removal and dubious block buff are all kinda meh.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

might have to be converted to SRS.
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New Guardian has 0 nodes for SRS, relic AoE is too small for fast and aggressive minions.

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Thesuffering wrote:

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mariox1011 wrote:

Explain the 50% more damage part. Which build would that be?

If the base auras were a 50% more damage multiplier you would use them with aura effect passives/generosity.

People do use all 3 but it comes at the cost of survivability because you woudlnt be able to get determination. But lets use zombies for the explanation.

16-248 lightning damage+ 25% phys as extra cold damage + 18% increased codl damage+ 109=155 fire damage.

Zombies at level 25 do 627-1463. So it will + ~180-450 cold damage + 16-248 lightning and 109-155 fire damage. All up it will be ~920-~2300 damage.

This assumes you're using a blank character with a single link (no support gems) and treat all damage types as equal. When you start adding in supports like melee phys dmg and monster resistances, the flat damage of the anger/wrath become even more worthless.

Hatred is the only "good" aura for attacking minions. If you're building around hatred you really want aura effect because it scales exponentially with itself.

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Buzirat wrote:

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Draegnarrr wrote:

might have to be converted to SRS.
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New Guardian has 0 nodes for SRS, relic AoE is too small for fast and aggressive minions.

Wrong measuring stick for how I play, we are talking league starter on HC nothing offers great SRS nodes as it is until you get to poison (which requires gear) and I wouldn't play poison anyway as I mentioned, bit too fotm for me.

I'd get more defences out of playing something else for sure, but that defeats the objective of giving the new ascendancy a whirl I can't really judge it if i haven't played it.

I'm not making the best choice here that isn't the point for me, acceptable is fine I just won't choose directly bad and this looks OK to my eyes.

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mariox1011 wrote:

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Thesuffering wrote:

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mariox1011 wrote:

Explain the 50% more damage part. Which build would that be?

If the base auras were a 50% more damage multiplier you would use them with aura effect passives/generosity.

People do use all 3 but it comes at the cost of survivability because you woudlnt be able to get determination. But lets use zombies for the explanation.

16-248 lightning damage+ 25% phys as extra cold damage + 18% increased codl damage+ 109=155 fire damage.

Zombies at level 25 do 627-1463. So it will + ~180-450 cold damage + 16-248 lightning and 109-155 fire damage. All up it will be ~920-~2300 damage.

This assumes you're using a blank character with a single link (no support gems) and treat all damage types as equal. When you start adding in supports like melee phys dmg and monster resistances, the flat damage of the anger/wrath become even more worthless.

Hatred is the only "good" aura for attacking minions. If you're building around hatred you really want aura effect because it scales exponentially with itself.

Yes you are right. I am just pointing out that it isnt that bad.