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TemjinGold wrote:
I don't think you understand what we're saying at all. You don't have an immortal build. You have a build that will slowly piss you off more and more because you will randomly die for no reason all the time. Great avoidance is great but not when a single hard hit that gets through flat out kills you (and with how many guys are hitting you at once because you are in melee, they will get through). The mobs wielding spells will get through even easier.
As for getting through T16 maps with half of your 666k dps on a melee build with only 1 extra strike target, that sounds awful and miserable but hey if you like that go for it.
Given how confident you seem in your build that will not work the way you hope, I'm surprised you need anyone to "test" anything for you.
... Well. I tried. I don't think you know how probability works.
See, for me to even be hit, there's one thing that needs to happen: 1/5 chance win and, after that, it has to get through a 2/3 chance of evasion. And evasion is not RNG. So need to enter the exact window. It's lottery.
The trick are spell hits. But, at this point, is fair to say you haven't played 100% recoup this league. Most build that do that are 2000 life, no ES. There's plenty of videos of that on YT. Many folks, nearly immortal.
That math says. On maps, is immortal. 100% sure.
But I know, you are free to keep not being smart.
And has splash damage too.
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Scarletsword wrote:
A storm call from normal Atziri during mirror phase deals an avg. amount of ~27k with a top end of 41500 before mitigation. The average hit will already overkill you by 1k and will bypass your avoidance in 2 out of 5 hits.
https://poedb.tw/us/Atziri%2C_Queen_of_the_Vaal#AtziriQueenoftheVaalAtziri
More stuff you can't tank in maps:
- Any league content that deals spell damage like expedition, blight, delirium, legion or breach because they deal more damage than Atziri.
- Anything that's a degen because it bypasses your recovery and avoidance completely.
- Map boss spells like a Magaera fire storm or basically any other spell because again Atziri.
Btw, do you want to tell us how to craft that shield or even just the belt with "some" divines?
Yeah. I tested on craft of exile. I just need a base with t1 block and ES recovered on block. block suffix .Veiled orb spam. Luck with +1 mod with ES.
Bench craft can make for the reservation eff. With the +2 socket craft.
Then, the rest of the raw ES can come from crucible, if too unlucky
As for the belt.
I have the belt
Yeah. I know is only immortal when maping. But, i think can do atziri if i dont hit the reflect nonsense. Because PoB is not counting the entirity of the recoup. Probably none. Messed with it. Not changing the EHP. neither Sorrow is counting in the EHP
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
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TemjinGold wrote:
I don't think you understand what we're saying at all. You don't have an immortal build. You have a build that will slowly piss you off more and more because you will randomly die for no reason all the time. Great avoidance is great but not when a single hard hit that gets through flat out kills you (and with how many guys are hitting you at once because you are in melee, they will get through). The mobs wielding spells will get through even easier.
As for getting through T16 maps with half of your 666k dps on a melee build with only 1 extra strike target, that sounds awful and miserable but hey if you like that go for it.
Given how confident you seem in your build that will not work the way you hope, I'm surprised you need anyone to "test" anything for you.
... Well. I tried. I don't think you know how probability works.
See, for me to even be hit, there's one thing that needs to happen: 1/5 chance win and, after that, it has to get through a 2/3 chance of evasion. And evasion is not RNG. So need to enter the exact window. It's lottery.
The trick are spell hits. But, at this point, is fair to say you haven't played 100% recoup this league. Most build that do that are 2000 life, no ES. There's plenty of videos of that on YT. Many folks, nearly immortal.
That math says. On maps, is immortal. 100% sure.
But I know, you are free to keep not being smart.
And has splash damage too.
Like I said, if you are that confident in your wrong info, why do you need to come here to ask anyone to "test"? What exactly is such a person testing? How wrong you are? You clearly believe what you think is 200% correct. So why test?
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Posted byTemjinGold#1898on Aug 9, 2023, 8:55:59 PM
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TemjinGold wrote:
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
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TemjinGold wrote:
I don't think you understand what we're saying at all. You don't have an immortal build. You have a build that will slowly piss you off more and more because you will randomly die for no reason all the time. Great avoidance is great but not when a single hard hit that gets through flat out kills you (and with how many guys are hitting you at once because you are in melee, they will get through). The mobs wielding spells will get through even easier.
As for getting through T16 maps with half of your 666k dps on a melee build with only 1 extra strike target, that sounds awful and miserable but hey if you like that go for it.
Given how confident you seem in your build that will not work the way you hope, I'm surprised you need anyone to "test" anything for you.
... Well. I tried. I don't think you know how probability works.
See, for me to even be hit, there's one thing that needs to happen: 1/5 chance win and, after that, it has to get through a 2/3 chance of evasion. And evasion is not RNG. So need to enter the exact window. It's lottery.
The trick are spell hits. But, at this point, is fair to say you haven't played 100% recoup this league. Most build that do that are 2000 life, no ES. There's plenty of videos of that on YT. Many folks, nearly immortal.
That math says. On maps, is immortal. 100% sure.
But I know, you are free to keep not being smart.
And has splash damage too.
Like I said, if you are that confident in your wrong info, why do you need to come here to ask anyone to "test"? What exactly is such a person testing? How wrong you are? You clearly believe what you think is 200% correct. So why test?
The thing is. I can't play this league anymore :( The damn patch
And have 151 div and 10.000 chaos sitting.
After donating a chunck to friends. About 200 div gone already
But the friends that did not got nerfed by the patch, can't catch them online anymore.
Well, there's test to how far it can go. Some stuff don't show on PoB, as I said. And I like crazy builds, as I said.
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
Yeah. I know is only immortal when maping. But, i think can do atziri if i dont hit the reflect nonsense. Because PoB is not counting the entirity of the recoup. Probably none. Messed with it. Not changing the EHP. neither Sorrow is counting in the EHP
You can't recoup onehits.
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Posted byScarletsword#4354on Aug 10, 2023, 5:20:16 AM
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Scarletsword wrote:
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
Yeah. I know is only immortal when maping. But, i think can do atziri if i dont hit the reflect nonsense. Because PoB is not counting the entirity of the recoup. Probably none. Messed with it. Not changing the EHP. neither Sorrow is counting in the EHP
You can't recoup onehits.
100% of videos on youtube you can see a dark layer of life in recoup builds. The light red disapears all the time on pinacle bosses fights and more than often too. There's a interaction of 100% recoup over 3 secs + PtB or progenesis (all recoup builds use at least one). Search immortal explosive totem builds. I did one myself and played a recoup build this league.
I have seen the first layer of life go away in one go all the time, and the second standing 100% on a 2000 life set up, with life reserved.
I would say, works agaisn't one hits too, a least a bit, 100% sure. If not, I wouldn't had tanked ubers like i did. The build I did had but only 50k armour and cap res, outside recoup set up and flask.
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Posted byfenixsemcinzas#6254on Aug 10, 2023, 12:48:24 PM
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
100% of videos on youtube you can see a dark layer of life in recoup builds. The light red disapears all the time on pinacle bosses fights and more than often too. There's a interaction of 100% recoup over 3 secs + PtB or progenesis (all recoup builds use at least one).
That's not recoup.
That's damage delay and that will only help if you can mitigate the damage in the first place (unless progenesis) which your build doesn't do. There's no special interaction either. You can get the exact same effect by using life regen or a life flask or literally anything else that fills up your health globe.
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
... I wouldn't had tanked ubers like i did. The build I did had but only 50k armour and cap res, outside recoup set up and flask.
+Sapped with incr. ailment effect
+Spell suppression
+Molten Shell
+Properly working physical mitigation
Also here's the 300 million EHP version of your build without changing anything since you like abitrary numbers against white skeletons.
https://pobb.in/ff0tGhqMtrK6
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Posted byScarletsword#4354on Aug 10, 2023, 2:16:55 PM
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Scarletsword wrote:
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
100% of videos on youtube you can see a dark layer of life in recoup builds. The light red disapears all the time on pinacle bosses fights and more than often too. There's a interaction of 100% recoup over 3 secs + PtB or progenesis (all recoup builds use at least one).
That's not recoup.
That's damage delay and that will only help if you can mitigate the damage in the first place (unless progenesis) which your build doesn't do. There's no special interaction either. You can get the exact same effect by using life regen or a life flask or literally anything else that fills up your health globe.
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
... I wouldn't had tanked ubers like i did. The build I did had but only 50k armour and cap res, outside recoup set up and flask.
+Sapped with incr. ailment effect
+Spell suppression
+Molten Shell
+Properly working physical mitigation
Also here's the 300 million EHP version of your build without changing anything since you like abitrary numbers against white skeletons.
https://pobb.in/ff0tGhqMtrK6
Oh. you looked on my stuff?
That's more of a maping one that i did for a while to get crucible trees. There's weaks that i dont play too. The patch
I started with something similar than the huge hitpool y are fighting over.
The damage mitigation is the special interaction i suppose. If not, i would have got one shot all the time
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