New chieftain ascendancy

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Jradlot21 wrote:

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gladiatorpie wrote:

It is not just you. The only good node is the no downside melding. Otherwise its a mishmash of mostly useless, non synergistic stuff.

"enemies near you have no resistance against fire DoT"

That is a major buff to fire trap. Paired with the "no penalty melding" Chieftain is going to be a powerhouse boss killer.

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sirgog wrote:

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Jradlot21 wrote:

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gladiatorpie wrote:

It is not just you. The only good node is the no downside melding. Otherwise its a mishmash of mostly useless, non synergistic stuff.

"enemies near you have no resistance against fire DoT"

That is a major buff to fire trap. Paired with the "no penalty melding" Chieftain is going to be a powerhouse boss killer.

It's an S tier node but not really for heavy bossing. It's for a DPS boost on the tankiest monsters in each map.

Compared to the alternative (WoC, alt-quality Flammability, indirect Scorch), this plus Punishment is 400% more damage against monsters that have had their resistances buffed by Exarch altars, but the alternative is more damage in general. It's less damage against pinnacles, but not much less. Still enough to get your own Voidstones, and if you intend to do a lot of pinnacles, you go trapper instead.

As always in a new league there will be people complaining "I can't kill tanky rares any more, GGG plz nerf", because they have given those rares +150% fire res with map mods, altars or just the monster mods on them. Ramako users will not be calling for nerfs, they'll be shredding those monsters.

Chieftain + RF in helm + Fire Trap/Searing Bond both in the same 6 link with gem level scaling really jumps out at me as having a lot going for it. Especially given that your Searing Bond taunts, allowing you to stand still safely if used well. Searing Bond damage numbers are... actually nuts. Fire Trap loses Trap and Mine support but it's still better than any other Bond support would be.

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Newbie413 wrote:

This is such a ridiculous way of looking at that node. As captainlance duly noted, the node is a significant damage increase with the small investment of two curses and exposure (32% decrease). Why would anybody in their right mind roll an entire ascendancy just to gain a minor damage increase on exarch altars ? This simply serves to mislead people and provide them with poor decisions. The chieftain ascendancy has 1 good notable with everything else being either underwhelming or unuseable. Please stop baiting people into playing it. It is not good.

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sirgog wrote:

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Newbie413 wrote:

This is such a ridiculous way of looking at that node. As captainlance duly noted, the node is a significant damage increase with the small investment of two curses and exposure (32% decrease). Why would anybody in their right mind roll an entire ascendancy just to gain a minor damage increase on exarch altars ? This simply serves to mislead people and provide them with poor decisions. The chieftain ascendancy has 1 good notable with everything else being either underwhelming or unuseable. Please stop baiting people into playing it. It is not good.

How many of the people playing Jugg will be saying "GGG NERF THESE STUPID HIGH RESIST MONSTERS!!!!"

Remember 3.18 day 1 when all of Reddit was saying "Archnem monsters broken GGG NERF NOW"?

At that point people who were playing crit Inquisitors and taking the Inquis version of the node you call bait weren't complaining, they were just destroying everything. 4 mod monster with +140% resist to your element? Dead.

Of course Chieftain RF looks bad if you are razer focused on pinnacle damage. If you care about pinnacle damage, you are playing traps, not Jugg RF, Chief RF or anything else. Chieftain performs well enough on pinnacles to get your own voidstones and not well enough to be a good choice for ubers - that's the same performance as Jugg RF.

But where Jugg's weakness lies - hitting Exarch altars in maps (without an Eater buff, Eater is bait) - Chieftain just doesn't care. Maven 4-way rolled 'monsters have +40% resist'? That's free quant rather than an actual problem.

Jugg's probably best at 100 div investment or more - because Jugg can get Ramako with jewels then. Jugg won't need Valako, it already wants Brass Dome anyway.


There was a time when Ramako would have been a bad node. A time when monster resists almost never exceeded 50% and when the 3.17 map mods and especially altars didn't exist. In 3.14 I wouldn't have played 3.22 Cheiftain either, nor would I have played Inquisitor crit.

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MadKat wrote:

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sirgog wrote:

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Newbie413 wrote:

If Ramako can go into negative zone, then this is OP. Otherwise is just meh
Jugg can do well in high resist map with just curse.

Btw, are you same sirgog as the one on YouTube?

Same person yes.

Jugg can't get mobs off 75% fire res after clicking the really common resist Exarch altars (and you are going Exarch unless there's nerfs to it or BIG buffs to Eater). Jugg can absolutely do fine in resist maps (minus a couple awful monsters per map), resist invitations are pain though.

Still think Jugg with Forbidden jewel it for mapping. Jugg has no need of more damage against weak monsters where Ramako doesn't help because you don't stop moving, but when you can't just instamelt something, this node is there