What the hell is wrong with the armour now?

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jsuslak313 wrote:

^that's all perfectly true, but I think it's still valuable to compare individual mods.

Lets talk functionality:

Max rolled single suppression mod = 22% ==> somewhere around 11% avg reduced damage from spells ASSUMING max suppression, but incredibly unreliable on its own as it functions more as avoidance rather than mitigation until suppression chance is maxed. And rather terrible avoidance at that...

Max rolled single phys reduction mod = 8% ==> 8% phys reduction, 100% of the time from all sources of physical damage.

Max rolled single conversion mod = 18% (elevated, hard to get) ==> 13.5% physical reduction with max fire resist 75, up to 16.2% with max 90%. At max, twice the effect of the "additional phys reduction" HOWEVER it only works on hits.


The best single-mod damage reduction is a maxed out conversion mod; however its only for physical hits.

The best single damage reduction altogether is the physical reduction mod: 8% flat on spells, hits, and DoTs BUT still only physical

Best all round defensive mod (when combined and maxed) is spell suppression since it works on all types of damage, but only from spells which are pretty common.


All of these individual mods can be combined with other mods and mechanics in different ways to offer powerful defensive options, but they ALL have comparable and somewhat unique places in defense. And we can actually see that, on its own, the spell suppression mod on body armour is actually the WORST option unless you assume that the build has max suppression.


Therefore...I very much disagree with the OPs complaints.

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Offfit wrote:

You say thats is not an op, but look at the lion's share of builds and then maybe you will begin to understand something, and so, you are completely wrong and even consider what you are doing math is meaningless

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jsuslak313 wrote:

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Offfit wrote:

You say thats is not an op, but look at the lion's share of builds and then maybe you will begin to understand something, and so, you are completely wrong and even consider what you are doing math is meaningless

Lol...thanks for not reading anything that I wrote.

First of all, I was comparing SINGLE mods on armours and their effect. Because that is what your entire thread is about. Not defense as a whole, but "what the hell is wrong with armour". There is NOTHING wrong with armour, it is in its best state it has ever been.

Additionally, I said the BEST form of defense is Spell Suppression, so long as you have it maxed. By itself unmaxed, it is absolutely terrible: worse than any other form of damage avoidance. But maxed suppression beats out every other form of defense in the game.

Additional Physical Damage Reduction is ABSOLUTELY popular. It's used on nearly every build that doesn't use Spell Suppression, and its ALSO used on builds with spell suppression. It sees more ubiquitous use across all builds than spell suppression alone.

The reason the meta is currently heavily in favor of spell suppression is because, yes, it is the top defense mechanic assuming its maxed, but ALSO because rangers, shadows, and duelists form most of the meta right now. Templars and Marauders are far more likely to lean physical damage reduction. It is also pretty easy to cap spell suppression if you are on the right side of the tree. It is also almost mandatory for uber bossing, but then again so is physical reduction in some form.

You seem to have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...apart from the fact that Spell Suppression (while maxed) is a great form of damage mitigation. The fact that you didn't even know physical damage reduction was even a mod in the first place is proof of that. You simply have no experience with it, so therefore its "useless" to you.

"Math is meaningless" is one of the stupidest comments you can make when talking about defenses. The math is everything. It's the reason why you equate block mechanics with spell suppression and other mitigation mechanics, because you don't understand the math nor do you understand truly how defenses work. I tried to help shed some light on the inaccuracies and you get nasty, so keep on being a child and do whatever you want.

If you don't want to learn, then I can't help you

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jsuslak313 wrote:

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Offfit wrote:

anyway its sucks in comparasion with spell suppression and physical damage to element conversion is much better

Partially disagree with this. The flat physical damage reduction is way more powerful than the conversion mods...flat 8% phys reduction is 8% phys reduction. But an 8% conversion is 8% x .75 or whatever max resist you have, already WEAKER than the flat phys reduction. Additionally, as I understand it, the phys reduction happens first in the equation meaning it takes care of the largest hit allowing for better 1hko protection.

Not only that, but you can get BOTH together. I agree that spell suppression is stronger than all of them, because its easier to get. But if you had a proper build that stacked phys reduction (endurance + armour mod + pantheon) you could get a similar spell suppression-like effect on ALL physical damage (huge for bosses), before you then get into conversion shenanigans too.

My main issue with flat %phys reduction is that it pretty much invalidates armour. If only armour worked in a similar way, with flat physical reduction instead of the rolloff effect it has now where it does nothing for larger hits.