remove alot of complicated stuff in poe2

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I mean are we really saying that Crucible was GGG's greatest ever league by far? Shattering their records? It doesn't feel that way to me.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

But this doesn't make sense for PoE, because sheer volume doesn't really matter (at least not financially).

If they have record numbers playing, which they do, but those new players leave quickly and perhaps don't return, what good was the influx? (And many of these were from the D4 beta overflow and interest)

I mean are we really saying that Crucible was GGG's greatest ever league by far? Shattering their records? It doesn't feel that way to me.

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Pashid wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

But this doesn't make sense for PoE, because sheer volume doesn't really matter (at least not financially).

If they have record numbers playing, which they do, but those new players leave quickly and perhaps don't return, what good was the influx? (And many of these were from the D4 beta overflow and interest)

I mean are we really saying that Crucible was GGG's greatest ever league by far? Shattering their records? It doesn't feel that way to me.

Hence the player numbers continue to grow with each league which wouldn't be the case if all new players leave?
new players don't stick around for a month or longer if they don't enjoy the game that much and they don't return, yet the amount of players grows.

Greatest league as far as the league mechanic goes probably not but giving to the player count yes. The league would have probably be alive for a longer while without new big game like Zelda, Diablo and so on. But I guess we're going to see the numbers with the next league and it's probably going to be more players than in crucible even if it's another rather "weak" designed league mechanic

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DarthSki44 wrote:

But this doesn't make sense for PoE, because sheer volume doesn't really matter (at least not financially).

If they have record numbers playing, which they do, but those new players leave quickly and perhaps don't return, what good was the influx? (And many of these were from the D4 beta overflow and interest)

I mean are we really saying that Crucible was GGG's greatest ever league by far? Shattering their records? It doesn't feel that way to me.

Statistically, the retention numbers have been dropping since 3.15, and while yes its factually correct the number of people trying the game has been increasing, it's also true to say that players stop faster, and how far those players get, have been dropping percentage wise.

In terms of business success, In D4 if someone pays $100 for the game, plays, and then doesn't come back, that's not even a problem for Blizzard. This is the advantage of. Pay to Play AAA with hybrid live service. All of their players are at least minimally monetized, and D4 Devs have a financial incentive to make good content moving forward. I would tend to be optimistic on this front, even if the only reason was that Blizzard wants more money.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

What if the next league mechanic and meta shift changes are great, but D4 sucks the air out of the room with their season 1, and the numbers are much lower than Crucible? Is that really representive then? Lets say the raw numbers are lower but the retention is up, meaning people like what they are playing. Those kinds of metrics matter imo.

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Reinhart wrote:

Why do you honestly care? Weren't you off to Diablo 4?

I don't know why you keep reasoning for Path of Exile as if you were the owner. GGG knows what they are doing.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Of course im playing D4, like millions of others, including a significant number of PoE players. I care because life isn't binary. I don't just play one game. I want PoE and D4 to do well. I hope LE blows the doors off when it comes out of access. I hope PoE2 is great. I hope D4 seasons and expansion are as good as Blizzard says they will be.

As far as GGG knowing what they are doing. I'm not so sure. I don't know if CW's vision is good for the game, I have my doubts. And I know plenty of developers that have fucked up their games, so I wouldnt recommend naive blind trust as a course of action. It's possible GGG screws this up.