remove alot of complicated stuff in poe2

Trust me when I say this GGG

Almost all my co-workers and friends find the game not newbie friendly

cluster jewels
So many NPCS in Hideout (even my sister in law thought im playing a sims-like game)
complicated mechanics for newbies ( syndicate, and etc u name it )
Complicated crafting ( yes definitely you can compare it to d4 and you will know)
I remember league before that it was so complicated that even streamers find it confusing, I forgot the league name.


seriously, if GGG devs cant realize it, this is the reason why its very hard for newbie players to adapt to the game, not to mention its very hard for them on leveling.


Majority on here might not agree but once you have alot of friends and maybe co-workers and gather their survey, I guarantee you this is the main issue for them on the game.

if Poe2 is still as not newbie friendly game, nvm the graphics, you still wont get a lot of new players but only pleased the old players intead.

If you want to retain the other stuff then atleast simplify it to be newbie friendly.


lastly, stop nerfing necromancer, just watch d4 how good their necromancer is.

No...you want a dumbed down shallow game go play d3/4

try super mario bro.

also i dont have a friend, let alone alot.

I rather have a over complicated crafting system compared to that what you call crafting in Diablo 4.

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V4ldaran wrote:

I rather have a over complicated crafting system compared to that what you call crafting in Diablo 4.

To be fair Diablo 4 is a hybrid mobile+MMO RPG now, it's so beyond an action top-down RPG loot grinder that I don't even compare it to franchises staying true to the genres core gameplay.

"not newbie friendly" is the best thing ever.
Hideout looks like what you make of it, so if yours looks like sims, then maybe change it to not look like sims.

The game is cluttered for sure, but the atlas passive tree is definitely taking it to the right direction.

Okay go to D4 then I like learning.

oh btw necromancer in D4 sucks ass wtf are you talking about they're DOG tier in terms of summoner it's so bad LMAO.

This is a game full of heresy. There is no reason to invite co-workers to a game like this.

Try rocket league instead.

-Cluster Jewels make every build playable.
-i have no comment on NPCs dude, just no comment
-i dont understand syndicate either, but i also dont give AF. after some lvl of engaging in creative activities you start noticing the difference of appearance on first glance. you can then decide to leave it overly complex or make it look simple and neat. elon musk mentioned a similar work rule of thumb. we cant force people to distribute their workforce to improve dated content, especially with a hoard of..people on the forums resisting every suggested change and blaming the player for everything

-D4 is terrible. I only enjoy watching ryukahr play it. Last time i checked both rhykker and asmon acted as if prohibiting the idea of genuinely simply disliking D4. You are not allowed to give it a rating of 0.

-i hate d4. i love watching ryukahr play it tho <3

i agree, that there needs to be simplification(in terms of dmg scaling and defense tutorials) in PoE. but i am way past the point of bothering with that shit. this isnt about the game anymore, this is only about writing some smack. so people can see the truth and they can clearly see the smart people who have been around and talk like sane individuals and not people speaking as if you can just dance through the game omegalolzomgwtfz

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kentpachi wrote:

Majority on here might not agree but once you have alot of friends and maybe co-workers and gather their survey, I guarantee you this is the main issue for them on the game

Nobody ever denied that. Your conclusion is just wrong. PoE is the only game that OFFERS this sort of complexity, just because you and all your buddies doesn't like it does not mean is wont appeal to others especially because of the reasons you dont enjoy it.

The solution is not to dumb down the game to a level that other games have, like D4. Seriously, calling D4 "crafting" at all is ridiculous. Best crafting so far in my opinion is Last Epoch - Drops matter and actually determine your base, its pretty deterministic but also needs luck and a lot of time for the perfect items. While in PoE its pushed to one side where drops dont matter, D4s crafting is not relevant enough. Anyway, I digress...

The solution is to actually give options to LEARN. Newbfriendly ones. Ingame guides, a comprehensive pool of ressources that are easily found and accessed for people interested in learning, rather than the need to google your way though everything to actually find wikis or guides on Youtube etc.

I don't get it. Are you arguing for a game that caters to new players, but stops there?

Let me offer another perspective. The game should keep the more difficult systems for learning later and put more focus on easing the on ramp for players that are interested in learning those systems, to an extent. It could also be viewed as a kindness to players that don't want to spend time learning those systems as a way to weed them out early ultimately saving them time. The game should somehow express the need for players that are curious and not easily overwhelmed without making the early game a nightmare for new players.