5-way service and voidstone carry service need nerf

Dear GGG,
I am a player that have played POE for more than 6 years.I really like playing POE that give me a long time fun.But lately I'm depressed and hopefully that can make some different.
About 5-way, doing 5-way service is destorying the game.It is the most profitable part in the entire game.For the free is 2 div orbs 5 runs per person minus the free that buying maps which means that the carry and the aruabot can earn 7 div orbs in 30 minutes, 14 div orbs in 1 hour,expect the timeless jewel.If including 5-way carry can earn 15-20 div per hour.The AFK can get much XP that can level from 64 to 100 in 8 runs,using 16 div and 5 hours can go to lv100.People can hit lv 100 so fast and so easy just AFK for few minutes.And the only one reason people doing 5-way service is just making money.The carry just stand on the ground and attacking all the time with the new ring Nemis and arua bot use script to reset.They just need to start running the script seeing the scream and then big money comes.Seeing the screamer empyriangaming they made 14 mirrors in one week through 5-way service expect that they spend 2 mirror making a wand.So 16 mirrors in one week profit,It's insane.
Just look at ruthless and how slow leveling there is.They need hundreds of time and options to level up.It's unfair and make the game not fun at all.Really hopefully that can nerf 5-way service.
As we can know that the domain of timeless conflict is the area which drops timeless jewels.If delecte the domain of timeless conflict instead of doing legion dropping the timeless jewels will be one solution.Of course that u have the ability to not use that way,but whatever I hope can nerf 5-way service.
And also for the voidstone carry,people pay about 40-80 chaos to buy the voidstone carry so they can get the voidstone to update the maps safely.They skip the process fighting the boss to get into the next step.The carry can carry 4-5 people per run,he can get the loot free even through the free he carrys people he can make a huge profit.I think that way is not healthy for POE.
Wish you can solve these two things and make POE better. Thanks.

Switch fully to ruthless please.

Lvl 100 doesnt mean anything really just how much can you take. It's not something to be proud of in 2023.

Voidstones? really?

Voidstone progression is poorly balanced.
First 2 are very easy to get, you even get "quest" boss invitations that are easier and cannot be put on the market. Then the other 2 are a fucking chasm away from those first 2. Bosses aren't that difficult to kill, but they are prohibitively inaccessible if you want to do that yourself, without trading or buying a carry. Boss maps hardly ever drop and you need those to get enough fragments for Shaper and Elder (eventually assembling Uber Elder try) and the maven splinters.

Then 5-ways carries are the most efficent exping method i guess but thats ok, if they nerf that players will find the second best method and do that instead. For example afking in simulacrum or juiced delirious maps. Or group-running coward trials. There are many exp-grinding methods in POE, it just happens that 5-ways are the most time effective.

Why the concern as to how other people choose to play and level? Does it really matter?

It's only pixels on a screen, a game. In-game currency is likewise just pixels on a screen and devoid of real worth.

Go outside and smell the flowers instead.

Oh NUUU people getting level 100 before me and and...wait why does that affect you again?

The whole "d2" argument is as bad as the current league..

Who really cares what other people do in game? unless they are cheating or exploiting..

"bragging rights" for who? what?

Challenges are out there people already have the tools, the modes and yet some people here want the main base to be like the other two modes because reasons?

You think you're killing everything too easy? remove some supports, talents or items even.

You think you're getting too much loot? play the side project.

You think you should play but dont like trading? ssf is there

For everything else that's more challenging is macrocore out there along with said modes.

No such thing as "bragging rights" no such thing as "challenge" the modes are out there, the options are out there. If anything Tggg has done somewhat right is the many modes that people can challenge themselves. Leave the main game alone.

lmao what even is this thread?

Nerfing 5-way experience won't change anything about better players with organized carry+aurabot setups printing money and experience faster than you can get them on your own. Before Legion was in the game, people did the same exact thing with Poorjoys rotations, and before we even had maps people did it in the A3M Docks.

Playing in a party has ALWAYS been objectively better than playing solo and if this ruins your gameplay experience, go play SSF.

jealousy

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Xystre wrote:

Switch fully to ruthless please.

Lvl 100 doesnt mean anything really just how much can you take. It's not something to be proud of in 2023.

Voidstones? really?

What I mean is that these are the most efficien way to earn currency and not good for the entire game just make people spik the process and hit the level easily.Maybe nerf these two is better for the game

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Esubane wrote:

Voidstone progression is poorly balanced.
First 2 are very easy to get, you even get "quest" boss invitations that are easier and cannot be put on the market. Then the other 2 are a fucking chasm away from those first 2. Bosses aren't that difficult to kill, but they are prohibitively inaccessible if you want to do that yourself, without trading or buying a carry. Boss maps hardly ever drop and you need those to get enough fragments for Shaper and Elder (eventually assembling Uber Elder try) and the maven splinters.

Then 5-ways carries are the most efficent exping method i guess but thats ok, if they nerf that players will find the second best method and do that instead. For example afking in simulacrum or juiced delirious maps. Or group-running coward trials. There are many exp-grinding methods in POE, it just happens that 5-ways are the most time effective.

yes for void stone carry it is the most effecive way to make currency at the league start people pay 30 chaos per person but the maven's writ is 1 div so means 70 chaos which means if the person can carry 4 people per run,he can get 50 chaos profit and the loot freely.Do u mean what I am saying that people spik the process fighting the boss and they can get the voidstone easily just pay a few chaos.And the carry can get huge profit through this.

For 5-way what am i asking is not exp-grinding.With the new ring Nemis,5-way carry becomes wried.5-way carries just standing still and attack with KB and the mosters dies instently.And the aruabot is always using playscripts to reset.They did nothing but makeing huge profit.5-way carry is the most efficient way making currency.The profit is 14-18 divs per hour.Thinking what if the aruabot and the carry is the same person who opening 2 computers will be.And as AFK in 5-way just need to stand and AKF then u can get huge xp.For the other way at least need to follow and attack but 5-way just need to AFK it is not fair.As the result,all the people if want to level up just pay the free and the carry make huge profit.For the other people need to think what strategy they use to make profir but 5-way carries just stand and then they make the most profit,15 div per hour.Is that fair?