Uber Eater ignoring flask effects, or dealing too much damage

Topic.

PoB shows 48000 max hit on my PF for all elements outside chaos (30000). I have 102% Phys damage converted to elemental.

However, Uber Eater kills me with any of his abilities. Even one tentacle hit kills me. Tentacle slam / retract kills me. Beam Kills me. Everything the boss does obliterates me and I am at a loss why. I checked his skills on PoeDb and manually checked in PoB, and the tools pretty much tell me that I can AFK on this boss.

It is like the boss ignores any reduced damage taken from the flask when he converts his Phys damage to lightning.

I can easily tank uber-shaper balls all 3 of them, and his slam as well. Killed uber uber Elder without even flinching yet on a white Eater every ability is death.

Can anyone have an idea as to why ? I am seriously thinking this is a bug of some sort.

I can't say whether it's a bug or not but i can say that uber eater has absurd damage on basically all his skills. When looking at the skills on POEDB you have to keep in mind that Eater has a 300% damage multiplier, means you can take all the values you see there, times 3. Some of the skills also have local multipliers like the tentacle slam which does 380% of base damage. To make it worse, pretty much all his abilities hit multiple times, the tentacle ring, the beam, the slam tentacles also do damage while lying on the ground if you get close to them. The boss is basically one massive one shot fiesta.

With something as cute as 48k max hit you are nothing but a glass cannon. I had builds with max hits exeeding 200k before MS was nerfed just barely survive the beam. The tentacle ring was a must dodge even with those. You either learn to dodge all his abilites or get enough damage to oneshot him the moment he spawns. Tanking his attacks is probably impossible for anything but 500k+ armor stackers with transcendence.

What tools tell you 48k ehp is enough to tank uber eater ?

I had around 200k ehp with MS (non VMS) up last league and uber eater with no damage mods was russian roulette in terms of damage range and he'd sometimes one shot me with big nuke abilities

and if you roll some damage or turbo on him, good luck

According to https://poedb.tw/us/The_Eater_of_Worlds#Lvl85ConsumeBoss most of the skills do mostly lightning damage. And it supposedly has a hidden penetration (20% maybe, not sure). Example far as I understand how it works: If it says "GSConsumeBossDisintegrateBeamTriggered Triggerable Deals 6171 to 18513 Lightning Damage" you get max 18513*1.7 = 31472 lightning damage. If you have 75% resist and penetration is indeed 20% then this gives 17309. If your flask removes 40% (no idea what quote you have) then its 10385. So if you have less life/ES than that it can oneshot you.
But do note that (IME, dont know about here) the "Base Damage: 6844" values on that site may be incorrect.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

I can't say whether it's a bug or not but i can say that uber eater has absurd damage on basically all his skills. When looking at the skills on POEDB you have to keep in mind that Eater has a 300% damage multiplier, means you can take all the values you see there, times 3.

If you are referring to https://poedb.tw/us/The_Eater_of_Worlds#Lvl85ConsumeBoss: Far as I understand this is not how it works...

Maybe you can try Vaal Arctic Armour and Vaal Blade Flurry.

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Zrevnur wrote:

https://poedb.tw/us/The_Eater_of_Worlds#Lvl85ConsumeBoss: Far as I understand this is not how it works...

I am open for corrections if you know anything but at least his is how it works for Shaper. His balls are listed with 6-8k damage along with a global 200% damage modifier and when you test ingame you'll see that each ball hits 13-15k damage. POB also sets them at a little over 13k. I don't really see why eater would be different.

Unlike Shaper i am also fairly confident that his damage isn't coming from penetration. First off, penetration is usually listed on the skill, it's the case for Shaper and Maven and Exarch as well iirc, why would it be hidden here? Second, i have an ascendant with 70% of lightning damage taken as fire/chaos which means penetration is almost entirely negated. As a result i can facetank Uber Shaper + 2 of his clones doing shaper balls. Eater however instakills the build. Hence is why i think that it's raw damage in his case and with him killing a 200k max hit build with his beam means he is probably hitting at least 3-4 times with the beam doing ~60k per hit. If you take the 18k damage listed times three and then consider multiple hits then the math would actually explain the result. The beam is essentially on the level of mavens memory game damage wise.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

I am open for corrections if you know anything but at least his is how it works for Shaper. His balls are listed with 6-8k damage along with a global 200% damage modifier and when you test ingame you'll see that each ball hits 13-15k damage. POB also sets them at a little over 13k. I don't really see why eater would be different.

Far as I understand you are misinterpreting: Most boss damages need to be multiplied *1.7 - it even says so on the site "unique 70% more". Due to that your test numbers are close to that 200%. Far as I understand this is just happenstance though. And Eater should be the same - damage needs to be multiplied by *1.7.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Unlike Shaper i am also fairly confident that his damage isn't coming from penetration. First off, penetration is usually listed on the skill, it's the case for Shaper and Maven and Exarch as well iirc, why would it be hidden here?

I do knot know and have no proper evidence. It is however what I have seen suggested in various posts on reddit and here.
See here for someone testing Exarch balls: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3358932
Note that poedb says nothing about the balls having penetration: https://poedb.tw/us/The_Searing_Exarch#TheSearingExarchCleansingBoss

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Second, i have an ascendant with 70% of lightning damage taken as fire/chaos which means penetration is almost entirely negated. As a result i can facetank Uber Shaper + 2 of his clones doing shaper balls.

Maybe you are confusing something here? Shaper balls do cold damage.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Eater however instakills the build. Hence is why i think that it's raw damage in his case and with him killing a 200k max hit build with his beam means he is probably hitting at least 3-4 times with the beam doing ~60k per hit. If you take the 18k damage listed times three and then consider multiple hits then the math would actually explain the result. The beam is essentially on the level of mavens memory game damage wise.

I cant interpret those "200k max" from PoB so cant comment on that.

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Zrevnur wrote:

Far as I understand you are misinterpreting: Most boss damages need to be multiplied *1.7 - it even says so on the site "unique 70% more". Due to that your test numbers are close to that 200%. Far as I understand this is just happenstance though. And Eater should be the same - damage needs to be multiplied by *1.7.

That refers to rarity bonuses. If you read the sentence directly before that it mentions monster base damage bonuses with 150% in Mavens case. That number is listed individually for every boss in the first table, directly below the tags and above the line where thirst for knowledge is mentioned. Eater has a 1400% life modifier and 300% damage modifier. For Maven the damage modifier is 150% as mentioned in the explanation and for Shaper it's 200%. I am not sure what that rarity multiplier refers/applies to so i can't comment on that but i am pretty certain on the base damage multiplier.

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Maybe you are confusing something here? Shaper balls do cold damage.

Nah just wrote it badly. The ascendant mentioned uses Dawnbreaker and Divine Flesh so he converts both lightning and cold damage to chaos/fire negating the penetrations on those damage types by 70%. I was thinking about eater when i started the sentence and finished it with Shaper as an example, my mistake.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

That refers to rarity bonuses.

It refers to damage, see: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Modifier:MonsterUnique5

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Baharoth15 wrote:

If you read the sentence directly before that it mentions monster base damage bonuses with 150% in Mavens case. That number is listed individually for every boss in the first table, directly below the tags and above the line where thirst for knowledge is mentioned. Eater has a 1400% life modifier and 300% damage modifier. For Maven the damage modifier is 150% as mentioned in the explanation and for Shaper it's 200%.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

i can't comment on that but i am pretty certain on the base damage multiplier.

I tested various map bosses and my evidence suggests otherwise. The "Base Damage 200%" and such do AFAIK not apply to direct damages listed further down. In addition values like "Base Damage: 3650–5475" further down were just wrong for all map bosses that I tested - and in such a manner that I couldnt find a way to fix it with a generic multiplier. If there is a way to actually tell how much damage skills do which are based on "Base Damage: xyz" I would like to know. I think for some monsters it works but at least for the various map bosses that I tested it did not.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

I am not sure what that rarity multiplier refers/applies to so

See above - its a generic *1.7 multiplier to damages for unique monsters - at least those that have that mod.