LMP/GMP/deadeye/scion should get a bit changed projectile number wise

^not at all true. Some, like gmp, offer a unique extra utility such as the extra projectile that causes it to be far more sought after and valuable. Others, like awakened cold penetration (to choose at random) are worth less than 1/100th of an awakened gmp.

To say that most are way more expensive is just not correct. There are very very few awakened gems that are MUCH more expensive, GMP/Echo/Multi being at the top. But the MAJORITY of awakened gems are worth very little more than a 20/20 normal gem, if at all. You can get all the average prices on Poe Ninja, the data is right there for you. Some get an extra effect at level 5, which raises the value quite a bit, but at first drop the vast majority of awakened gems are NOT like GMP/Echo/Multi.

Going from a 20/20 gmp to an awakened gmp, using standard prices which are relatively stable:
1) Awakened GMP: cheapest = 19 divine
2) 20/20 gmp: cheapest = 19 chaos
Divines are about 190 chaos, so jumping from 4 projectiles to 5 projectiles is worth 200x more (the less multiplier is only 1% higher at level 1).

THAT is how valuable a single extra projectile can be. And you want to throw extra damage on top of that?
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^not at all true. Some, like gmp, offer a unique extra utility such as the extra projectile that causes it to be far more sought after and valuable. Others, like awakened cold penetration (to choose at random) are worth less than 1/100th of an awakened gmp.

To say that most are way more expensive is just not correct. There are very very few awakened gems that are MUCH more expensive, GMP/Echo/Multi being at the top. But the MAJORITY of awakened gems are worth very little more than a 20/20 normal gem, if at all. You can get all the average prices on Poe Ninja, the data is right there for you. Some get an extra effect at level 5, which raises the value quite a bit, but at first drop the vast majority of awakened gems are NOT like GMP/Echo/Multi.

Going from a 20/20 gmp to an awakened gmp, using standard prices which are relatively stable:
1) Awakened GMP: cheapest = 19 divine
2) 20/20 gmp: cheapest = 19 chaos
Divines are about 190 chaos, so jumping from 4 projectiles to 5 projectiles is worth 200x more (the less multiplier is only 1% higher at level 1).

THAT is how valuable a single extra projectile can be. And you want to throw extra damage on top of that?



thats becuz the extra from cold pen is exposure that is a easyly achievable feature...

guess what is turning easyly achievable as well? extra projectiles lol
ur getting hung up on achievability. It doesn't matter if extra projectiles are as easy to get as exposure. The fact is the extra projectile offers far more value to a build than the exposure does, as seen by the price and utility rate of those supports. You can't stack exposure, so one source is enough. But all projectiles stack and still offer some ridiculous benefits on their own.

It says something that even with all the added ways to get projectiles, these supports are STILL as valuable and used as they are. Regardless of the existing less multiplier downside.

Good debate, but I think I'll leave it there. Something that is already very powerful does not need additional buffs.
mate the point is the more projs you have, the less effective each extra are



for example, no one will use gmp on a split arrow skill
and its not decent for barrage as well

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