How can PoE2 become (or be seen as) AAA in 2023?
" I think some players see themselves as "better gamers" than casual players. There are toxic players in the game/forums and they love tell casual players that casuals are playing the game wrong. These toxic players seem more arrogant than brain surgeons. Gutting Gameplay Gradually
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I really don't even think it needs to be dumbed down, but I think they need to reduce how much time I need to spend outside of the game each league to move forward in game.
I think they need to do a better job with trade(get it into the game somehow), even if it isn't automated and also put more effort into all the complicated bullshit in game. Don't get rid of it, but at least give a more detailed description. Example, I skipped betrayal years ago and I vaguely know how it works and I have seen the chart for who is good to get, but I really have very little idea beyond that even after watching a few videos on it and I usually only interact with it most of the time to unveil items. I actually went and killed the mastermind guy or whatever last time just to get rid of the exclamation mark in my hideout. If it were gone in 3.20 I would be happy. |
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" I agree with everything you're saying...? The only reason I used Diablo as an example (in a discussion with another person, and not necessarily on topic), is that I view it as an example of where the developers took several steps that was clearly made to make the game reach an wider audience, from graphics to gameplay mechanics, something that pissed off quite a few long-time fans. No, Diablo 2 wasn't totally hardcore, but it was - in several ways - more in-depth, gritty and punishing than Diablo 3. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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" I still remember the synergy stuff in the trees fondly even if it was super basic. D3 getting rid of all of that really made it way less fun/interesting. |
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...Dudefriends, please stop. You're agreeing with each other so aggressively it makes me wince.
Dear Diary,
I had a feeling when one said 'egoistical' someone else would read that as 'egotistical'...it happens. Pretty much every time. English is a fucking mess and while that allows for all sorts of delightful wordplay, sometimes it's all but useless. It doesn't help that most reference pages acknowledge that egoist and egotist sound so alike and have such a clear shared etymology they can mean the same thing. Which is infuriating because surely these pages and resources exist to help us understand WHY they're not exactly the same thing. Okay, here. Found one. " https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/egoistic So armed, I think: " is absolutely true, in that 'shitting on Blizzard' puts their needs before others. On the other hand, they're also being egotistical because that need is to seem superior, which derives I think from seeming like one has 'too inflated an opinion of one's self' But then I also said there's an inferiority complex in play, which seems to contradict that. If I'm right about this, then egoistical works, egotistical doesn't. BUT the literal definition of egoist given above skews a lot closer to 'solipsist' or simply the opposite of 'altruist' in a philosophical sense (just because you 'believe' something doesn't mean you 'do' it all the time; if anything, sometimes a person who believe something inherently negative will actively try to work against it e.g. egoists indulging in altruistic behaviour). The usage of 'you' didn't help, but I see that was amended to the general rather than the personal so that's good. That's a sigh of relief. But from what I can tell, the reading of Exiles as 'egotistical' won out, which I think is a shame because I do not see them as inherently egotistical. I think the game has made them believers in (or enhanced their sense of) egoism, and I think the extremely high entry level can bring out an egotistical streak in those who are adept at PoE's systems and stake their pride on it. The quote ends with the distinction, 'you can be egoistic without being egotistic', but I think more pertinently is the probability that they do feed into each other, and you almost certainly can't be egotistic without being egoistic, since egotism (inflated sense of self) is a manifestation of egoism (the belief that people put self before all others). GGG, and pretty much every successful business (yep, even charities), rely on egoistic behaviour. Both in their own practices and in the expected practices of their customers. Egoism is not inherently negative or bad. Conversely, this thread is built on egoTISM in the Merriam-Webster sense: " Yours truly probably the finest, most eloquent, and all-round brilliant example thereof. But you kind of have to be an egoIST to believe anyone would give a shit, soooo... Wait, are you still here? Look can we all just agree that AAA games are designed to be blockbusters (insane production values, fairly short, very intense one-off experience aimed at a wide audience) and that Service games are more like a long-running soap opera (modest production values, extremely long, drawn out experience relying on recycled material in seemingly endless iterations with a fervid and generally misunderstood fanbase)? There, that wasn't so hard, wasn't it? PoE cannot be a AAA game, ever, because it's already got another designation of letters: F2P GAAS. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
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" Exactly - there's an old quote where Chris said they had been working on PoE for so long and money was in short supply, so they had to make it work. This shows that GGG was never really meant to be a super-duper money-making endeavour, and that moreover making money was not the top raison d'etre |
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Eeeeeeh it wasn't at first, back when Diamond packs were only a thousand bucks and a closed beta weekend in which they sold 10k keys at 10 bucks a pop was a huge fucking deal. But I think once they realised they'd stumbled onto something much bigger than their personal, homegrown take on Diablo 2, they knew GGG would be getting some very big offers for their product.
And they did. For years. In hindsight I should have known it'd be a Chinese megacorp to whom they'd ultimately answer. It was the only logical step. Western interests would have come with too much interference because they all have visions of their own, while Tencent are creatively visionless beyond 'make more money' and famous for being hands-off -- you don't fuck with a goose laying the golden eggs. You just buy the damn goose with an offer it can't refuse, put it on your farm with the other animals producing golden shit, and let it do its thing. And occasionally ask it to do something it normally wouldn't, strictly for separate clientele. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between. I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Dec 8, 2022, 9:04:57 PM
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" I am. But I understand why you thought that English is a mess, though - as English is pretty tough. Anyhow, I speak a lot of English, I talk a lot of English and I read a fair bit of English on a daily basis, but I have never know that egoist and egotist were two different words. Reading the difference(s) between the words didn't really make me wiser either. To be fair, in my language "egoist" covers both.
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" Got it. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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" And in total transparency, I did in fact read it wrong as Mr Chan indicated, interpreted as such, but since you didnt know the difference, and I misread, we actually ended up in the same place, much to the chagrin of our language expert I suspect, on our behalfs. Either way I didn't pursue it further because I do think we came to a point of mostly agreeing, but diverging on the point of view from the more "elite" crowds at PoE which I do think are very prevalent. It's fine. Fun is subjective, games are a choice, and ultimately doing what you wish to do is what matters. I would prefer less of a toxic attitude directed at "casual" gamers, but admittedly that's probably pollyannaish of me. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Dec 9, 2022, 10:59:43 AM
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