cold mastery

I dont count lvl 37 as an actual character. Anyway, me, earlier in the thread

"Physical could work if you end up with a high physical damage weapon.

Then you can convert 100%, and all the physical portion and +phys damage will help you.

But if you keep choosing weapons with high ele damage, then you want ele damage or just "damage with weapon" not physical.

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For sure if you want to go cold longterm then run with it. If you can squeeze it in, Hatred would be a great addition to a phys/cold build. But then you would need some -mana reserve at some point as that would be 100% mana reserved."


Anyway, when you cant even try to help someone without someone else coming in to bash you, repeating when you already wrote in the thread that they didnt bother to read, you see why the community is pretty toxic and no one wants to help out.

Not sure why Im even on here.

Good luck Pre, you can make most things work with tweaking. The only real mistake is to give up without trying to adjust and make the build work. Something like Heatshiver could also be fun, can increase your cold damage by 30 to 130% more damage. Best of luck, Im out.

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Pr3scient wrote:

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TemjinGold wrote:

https://poeplanner.com/b/51l

2) If you are 100% phys converted to cold, any investment anywhere in phys OR elemental will benefit you. The only time where trixxar is correct is if you use a weapon like Replica Oro's because that originates all its damage in cold. If you originate in a phys weapon you will benefit from both.

trixxar why you ignored this ? your not going to defend your self? you made me remove all the physical attack nodes from the tree he is putting physical damage nodes again in the tree he recommend .

we would sure like to see you guys solve this matter

Since he left the thread in a hurry, I'll explain. He can't defend it. No one can.

He proposed a super low budget way to make your guy. His Oro's recommendation does have the merit of really high dps at really low price. What he's not telling you is that, even though his sword "can stand up to" the weapons I recommend with numbers, it falls apart once you realize mine not only scales with auras in ways his can't, mine is also backed by all the investment in physical damage on the tree that his can't. There is very little investment on the total tree that only benefits from non-phys elemental but there is a ton that can benefit phys. If you put his suggestion in place, what you end up with at that moment literally is all you will ever get.

He called out 2 of my characters this league for using flat elemental damage weapons. What he's not telling you is, I built those 2 characters that way specifically because they were designed as characters that do not have much room for investment into damage on the tree (of any type) or in my gear other than the weapons. One of them used his tree investment for defense mainly, the other used it and gear to ensure my flasks were up 100% of the time. In other words, those are not your standard newbie friendly characters. That is the one situation where flat ele is superior--if you cannot afford to invest into damage period.

If you go with the Disfavour I recommended along with the tree I recommended and fitting as many auras as you can, you will have many times the damage that his setup grants you and you will be a lot tankier primarily because my tree doesn't have you jumping all over the place. But as I said, I've shared what I can. I'm not here to decide for you. Ultimately, it is up to you to look at everything said and choose the way you think is best for you. I've given recommendations for both paths. If you go his way, which you can, my tree will not work for you. You'll need a different tree for that.

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Pr3scient wrote:

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TemjinGold wrote:

https://poeplanner.com/b/51l

2) If you are 100% phys converted to cold, any investment anywhere in phys OR elemental will benefit you. The only time where trixxar is correct is if you use a weapon like Replica Oro's because that originates all its damage in cold. If you originate in a phys weapon you will benefit from both.

trixxar why you ignored this ? your not going to defend your self? you made me remove all the physical attack nodes from the tree he is putting physical damage nodes again in the tree he recommend .

we would sure like to see you guys solve this matter

Defend myself? Ill respond to this because you replied before my last comment.


TemjinGold is giving you the exact same options I laid at the beginning of the thread.

Literally the only new suggestion is he likes axes more than swords, nothing else.

I will repeat one last time, this is what I already stated in the thread. This is all Temj is saying, plus he likes axes.

The problem with his advice is it ignore all consideration of cost. If you have hundreds of divines to run with, absolutely restart your character, run with axes, etc.

Or keep going with you have you.

One last time, this is what I said page 1.

"Physical could work if you end up with a high physical damage weapon.

Then you can convert 100%, and all the physical portion and +phys damage will help you.

But if you keep choosing weapons with high ele damage, then you want ele damage or just "damage with weapon" not physical.

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For sure if you want to go cold longterm then run with it. If you can squeeze it in, Hatred would be a great addition to a phys/cold build. But then you would need some -mana reserve at some point as that would be 100% mana reserved."


In conclusion, Temjin doesnt read, repeats advice I already gave, while pretending (or just confused) that it is new, and suggesting you restart your character. If you like that advice, run with it. If not, dont.

But pretending its good advice to basically say "Oh, restart your character, different class, focus on a different damage route, use endless funds" and pretending to help on this character is pretty silly in my book.

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trixxar wrote:

I will repeat one last time,

i must apologize this whole confusion was because i thought you meants its ok to use physical dmg weapons but not physical damage skill points so that caused the issue

but considering the new updates i will go physical dmg again in the tree
and use some 800 dmg Starforge with hatred when i save money for it plz no reason to leave i will need some more help and with the tree and i am tired of posting multiple threads each time plz stay


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comments ?

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trixxar wrote:

- You are better off adding the 40% cold damage, and getting more elemental damage with attack skills on the tree
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why i am going phy/cold now lets keep it 60/40

Glad you picked a path. Trixxar can help you from here so I no longer need to try to help.

I do want to clarify a couple of things that trixxar got wrong about my advice:

1) I am suggesting a 10c Atziri's Disfavour. That's it, nothing else to buy. I have no idea where he got that I am recommending something for multiple hundreds of divines.

2) I am not recommending that you need a completely different character. What I said was, if you want to push completely flat elemental damage on weapon w/ no physical base, you are better off as a Ranger because that's where all the nodes you want are. I am NOT recommending you do this because this path ends very quickly with no good way to scale past the initial.

3) I recognize the tree I gave you means you need to regret a lot of things to make it work. That's why I offered to give you the regret orbs you need to make it happen.


I never did fully explain why axes are better:

1) Hatchet Master wheel, the notable gives 20% chance of Onslaught on Kill. This is very powerful because every time you kill something, there is a 20% chance you get 20% attack speed and movement speed for your character for a few seconds. When mapping, that will be almost all the time.

2) Feller of Foes wheel, you get a lot of accuracy (you will need this or your damage will go down drastically as you get into maps) along with crit.

3) Axes have insanely strong Masteries. Gain Rage on Hit and Enemies killed by your hits are destroyed (this one ensures that any corpses that explode/shower you with needles when they die don't because it removes the corpses before they can). Without that second bit, you will die a LOT when you fight packs that do stuff to you on death.

Look at the sword notables and masteries. Fatal Blade is strong. Brutal Blade (because you don't stack block) and Bladedancer suck in comparison. The Masteries are weak in comparison. Fatal Blade also requires you to go deep into the right side of the tree (a lot of points wasted traveling) to get and the wheel is huge (so you need to spend on a ton of little points that do little to get it, making it even less worth it).

Anyway, I just wanted a chance to explain the things I recommended. Best of luck with your build. I'm leaving this thread.

thank you gold , i have completed my tree anyway thanks to you guys i don't think
i will also post more here , i prefer starting fresh threads for anything else

I see 2 veterans fighting over which way of damage scaling is superior and a confused newcomer who gets too much opposite information. At the end, both ways work to scale the damage of your frost blades and have different defenseses too. They are 2 different builds. Just decide which one you wanna try and go with it. :)