cold mastery

i decided to remove them and remap to add more armor and life this will be the final settings

https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/3.19.1/AAAABgQAewHcAecEsQUtBiAGogviFE0UdRfcGJEZtBtvG_oj9iQuJd8nWSfcKS4wfDGwM5I1kjboOuE94kMTQzFHfkjuSn1M_02STeNOKlb6WK9br14TXzlhUmVNZ6ByAXSgdO1313fjeA14rnj5ejt673sUfLh9O311ft1_K4GsggeE2YTvhmCHdorwjX2NuZKAkw-T_JcImaqbLZzHns2jiqQZpzCpbql5sKuxfLGztfK747yfvTa-FL6nv_vAGsEIw-bEgsjMy_XSIdN-1FLYvdl82sHcjNy932_jn-Rq5bPnD-lG7g7vj_DE8kHyRfxL_W7-Cv5F_o_-ugAG-30L4jPTG2-4wyfcxup6OwZamap3Jr4U?accountName=Pr3scient&realm=pc&characterName=presscient

approved ?

Now I see why you wanted Replica Oro's in the other thread. Let me explain a few things to hopefully help you make a better build:

1) Phys 100% converted to an element is a huge benefit over just having elemental damage because you get to use auras and heralds that grant a percent of phys as extra. Hatred and Herald of Ash are great examples. These are incredibly powerful on such a build.

2) When you convert 100%, any investment you have to EITHER phys OR elemental will work.

3) If you are either converting 100% OR going elemental to start, ditch all investment in Impale. That's because impale only works if you are dealing physical damage (think of it as phys's answer to not getting penetration).

4) Your tree is too spread out, which weakens it. See all those tiny travel nodes your tree takes? The more of those you have, the weaker your build. The key to building good general purpose builds (note that specialist builds like stat/aura stackers or other builds that do something "weird" don't follow this rule) is to figure out the notables and masteries you want the most, then figure out the shortest paths you can take to get them so that in a given number of points you get as many of these as possible. Throw in as much life as you can get and there's your build. By you taking things left, right, and top center of the tree, you need to spend a LOT just traveling around, which greatly limits how much good stuff you get to take. Always think in terms of "power per point" not just power.

5) In general, for Duelist or Marauder, axes are much better damage than swords. But if you like swords, I would chop off a lot of the left side of the tree and focus more on the right side. It will be harder to get as much life and armour but easier to get suppress and evasion if you go this route.

6) Get auras. They are massive to any build. EVERY build (except for MoM builds) should play either Champion of the Cause wheel, Sovereignty wheel, or Charmisa wheel. My builds usually try to get 2 of these wheels and annoint the third.

i will processes your data and analyze it well step by step to apply all your recommendations but please be patient and stay with me i promise not to take long

1_ i will secure a high damage physical weapon + Hatred skill this point is confirmed . and understood .

but what did he mean i need mana reserve

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trixxar wrote:

For sure if you want to go cold longterm then run with it. If you can squeeze it in, Hatred would be a great addition to a phys/cold build. But then you would need some -mana reserve at some point as that would be 100% mana reserved.

Good luck amigo!

Hatred will take 100% mana ?


2_ When you convert 100%, any investment you have to EITHER phys OR elemental will work.

do you mean by investment auras and weapons ? because based on this reply

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trixxar wrote:

So with your frost blade duelist

- You have mostly elemental damage, so any physical damage nodes are doing almost nothing for your build.

i removed all the physical damage nodes from the tree and converted to defense and other types of damage as you can read through out the thread trixxar prevented me from investing in physical damage nodes is he wrong or did you mean investing in weapons and auras ? please clear this to me because it was main rule for skill tree

3_ i removed the impale point

4_ this is a bit complicated point because after trixxar advised me i used tons of regret orbs and remapped the tree i focused on defense life and armor but the tree forced me to go in directions to get to the nodes i need .
after restarting 5 times in poe i have tasted defeat and i still want life and armor instead of suppress and evasion i am an old man who will not move fast and lethal its ok with me 15 points of travel to get to my targets i am cool with my tree

5_ rgr that i will get a high physical damage axe do you know any special kind ? or i use the damage search as you said in the other thread?
i will remove all the sword skill points in the tree and look for the axe ones

Uul-Netol's Embrace
Vaal Axe this ok ?

looking in two handed weapons in trade the axes are not higher damage than the swords in fact the Starforge Infernal Sword hits 850 axes don't reach that plus tree skills for swords are much better

I made you a tree using axes. You don't have to follow this exactly, the point of the tree is to illustrate one point: When you spend points to travel somewhere, milk that area for everything good because you already spent the points traveling there.

https://poeplanner.com/b/51l

1) Hatred won't take 100%. But if you do Hatred and Determination, that's 100% because they are each 50. This is before Reservation efficiency. You want the Champion of the Cause wheel (and if you can afford it, I would annoint Charisma on your amulet) because ideally, you want to squeeze in Hatred, Determination, and Herald of Ash.

2) If you are 100% phys converted to cold, any investment anywhere in phys OR elemental will benefit you. The only time where trixxar is correct is if you use a weapon like Replica Oro's because that originates all its damage in cold. If you originate in a phys weapon you will benefit from both.

4) It seems you are in Standard. Do you need regret orbs? I don't play standard but I'm sure my standard guys have a few thousand lying around. If you are hurting for them to fix your guy, let me know when you go online and I can give you some.

5) You are looking for Unique weapons. Don't. That's a rookie mistake. Do the search I recommended on the trade site (not the wiki) and look for rare weapons, not uniques. Yes, unique weapons top out at the legacy Starforge. If you look at rares, axes go up to 1300 dps and beyond (those are just really expensive). I don't know Standard's economy but in league, you can easily get like a 900 dps axe for a handful of divines. The reason axes are better than swords in damage is their bases have much higher base damage. So the same mods rolled on them will result in much more damage.

Okay I briefly looked at Standard's economy and it's pretty warped. Weapons are significantly more expensive than in league. Normally I would just tell you to craft something yourself instead but given you are a new player that isn't a good answer to give you.

So instead, here are some recommendations:

1) If you stick with Axe (the masteries are much better than the sword ones btw) and are on a budget, Atziri's Disfavour is what you are looking for. The top dps shows lower than Replica Oro's but the phys base converting to cold, which allows Hatred and Herald of Ash to double dip, will mean a good rolled Disfavour will come out way ahead.

2) If you want to go back to Sword, Voidforge is your best bet if you can't afford a decent rare.

Its a question of cost.

TemjinGold's way definitely has an improved top end damage, but

Oro Sacrifice (750 dps) - 15 chaos

2h Sword with similar physical dps - 35 divines or 7000 chaos

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/vyB95MfE

2h axe with similar physical dps - 10 divines or 1500 chaos

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/LBRR6qVTn

That isn't a fair comparison. An Oro's has you taking more damage and it does not benefit from the good damage auras given it does not originate from phys damage. If you want to compare for apples to apples, you need to compare to much lower dps phys weapons.

Here's some rough math:

A 580dps Atziri's Disfavour costs 10c in Standard. L20 Hatred aura gives 25% phy as extra cold in addition to 18% more cold damage (which Oro benefits from neither). Any level Herald of Ash gives 15% phys as extra fire. So, not counting the 18% more cold even, that's 40% phys as extra element (fire or cold).

580 X 1.4 = 812, which is already way more than your 750 and I didn't even count the 18% more cold AND my axe doesn't take 10% increased damage from 2 different sources. If OP can get even more reservation capacity, can also tack on Herald of Purity for even more. Pure elemental does not have any comparable boosts.

You can't compare to a 750 phys weapon because then the dps is 750 X 1.4 = 1,050 dps.

Replica Oro mate, still benefits from Hatred.

750 * 1.18 = 885

Also, your way uses 75% more mana reservation.


Anyway, if you read earlier in the thread I specifically mentioned that Phys +Hatred is a great combo, so I already agreed with you.

However it comes down to budget.

Both of your kalandra characters are using ele weapon scaling with no real phys, as is my deadeye I kinda quit on.

You can make ele based work as well with cluster jewels that are 10-30c tops, increasing either all attack damage, or all ele damage.

Both of my six Kalandra characters?

There is no 750 dps replica Oro's in standard unless you are counting the offline people. What else is he going to use that mana for? If we are adding in the 18% more, 580 X 1.25 X 1.18 = 855.5. dps for my 580dps Atziri's. I still have Herald of Ash that I can choose to go for.

But I digress, it's up to him to choose.

OP: If you decide to go trixxar's way of ele damage w/o using Phys as a base, don't get Oro's. Get Rebuke of the Vaal. It's a 1H sword but you can get 900+ dps on it for less than 30c. Bonus points as you can also use a shield for more defense on top. You would also be much better off as a Ranger than a Duelist because all the nodes you'd want are on that side of the tree.

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TemjinGold wrote:

https://poeplanner.com/b/51l

2) If you are 100% phys converted to cold, any investment anywhere in phys OR elemental will benefit you. The only time where trixxar is correct is if you use a weapon like Replica Oro's because that originates all its damage in cold. If you originate in a phys weapon you will benefit from both.

trixxar why you ignored this ? your not going to defend your self? you made me remove all the physical attack nodes from the tree he is putting physical damage nodes again in the tree he recommend .

we would sure like to see you guys solve this matter