21/23 Gems

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xPiranha wrote:

Ah nevermind didnt see where you said alt quality are useless to you.

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PurpleChakra wrote:

There are most certainly ones listed offline.

Kalandra: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Kalandra/8z7WVkBUV
Standard: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/8z7WVkBUV


We can calculate the rough chance of getting a 21/23 gem by double corrupt as:

2/4 to get the first desirable outcome in Doryani Lens (Level or Quality change)
1/3 to get the other desirable outcome
1/2 chance to go up level

I believe for quality you can get +-10 (20 outcomes) of which 8 are desirable since +3 or higher gets rounded to 23, and 22 is also acceptable unless you are using Anomalous EC. So 8/20 for good quality.

All together this gives us a 2/4 * 1/3 * 1/2 * 8/20 = 0.033 = 3.3% chance for 21/22 or better. This isn't great - expected cost around 15-20 divines based on the prices you have mentioned.


Then again, why do you 'need' a 21/23? It's 1% increased AoE, that's it. For less than 10c you can just get a 21/20. You mentioned that you need it for the AoE breakpoint. I guess you just need to wait until the others are online or keep throwing them into the temple.

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auspexa wrote:

Alternates are completely useless for my build. I have awakened elemental focus and I'm not building crit.

Currently I have an ashes with 28q, I'll sell this and buy one with 29q instead and with 23q on the gem, it's exactly 52% quality, which is the aoe radius breakpoint for EC. 21/22 is only acceptable with 30q ashes, but 20/30 ashes are too expensive. Currently I get that aoe bonus from replica conq eff with aoe implicit but I bought one with reservation efficiency to be able to use level 6 precision so that my precise technique doesn't get ruined in less accuracy/blind on hit maps. So I need the extra aoe from the gem.

I don't think anyone will ever put one for sale, so I'll probably end up replacing my unnatural instinct with a corrupted one

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dorkdude2 wrote:

alternative to all that effort.

shuffle where your gems are slotted so your auras(at least determination, POE and discipline(or defiance banner) + enlighten are in helm), change your helmet craft to +1 to level of socketed AOE gems, this also comes with 8-10% increased area of effect.

fairly easy to get socket colors right with crafting bench/jeweler method if needed.

you can also look for a corrupted jewel that has the AOE implicit(4-5% per jewel, say on your unnatural instinct(then sell the uncorrupted for a return) or glorious vanity)

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auspexa wrote:

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dorkdude2 wrote:

alternative to all that effort.

shuffle where your gems are slotted so your auras(at least determination, POE and discipline(or defiance banner) + enlighten are in helm), change your helmet craft to +1 to level of socketed AOE gems, this also comes with 8-10% increased area of effect.

fairly easy to get socket colors right with crafting bench/jeweler method if needed.

you can also look for a corrupted jewel that has the AOE implicit(4-5% per jewel, say on your unnatural instinct(then sell the uncorrupted for a return) or glorious vanity)

I'll eventually move some of my auras to my helmet to use enhance 5 in my shield for divergent withering step and phantasmal ancestral protector but that makes me lose some of my unreserved mana, I need to calculate how it'll work. I thought about crafting aoe on helm as an alternative but didn't want to sacrifice that life, maybe that would be the best option. I need to check determination and grace's more multiplier's breakpoints for it, +1 could make a big difference there.

It's also possible that I might to for the next breakpoint with the helm craft after the one I'll get, EC has such a weird aoe scaling, it's not even close to being linear (I think it was 37, 52 and 64)

I can't change the glorious vanity, it gives me 8% life and 3% aura effect, it's by far the best glorious vanity for that socket

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dorkdude2 wrote:

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auspexa wrote:

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dorkdude2 wrote:

alternative to all that effort.

shuffle where your gems are slotted so your auras(at least determination, POE and discipline(or defiance banner) + enlighten are in helm), change your helmet craft to +1 to level of socketed AOE gems, this also comes with 8-10% increased area of effect.

fairly easy to get socket colors right with crafting bench/jeweler method if needed.

you can also look for a corrupted jewel that has the AOE implicit(4-5% per jewel, say on your unnatural instinct(then sell the uncorrupted for a return) or glorious vanity)

I'll eventually move some of my auras to my helmet to use enhance 5 in my shield for divergent withering step and phantasmal ancestral protector but that makes me lose some of my unreserved mana, I need to calculate how it'll work. I thought about crafting aoe on helm as an alternative but didn't want to sacrifice that life, maybe that would be the best option. I need to check determination and grace's more multiplier's breakpoints for it, +1 could make a big difference there.

It's also possible that I might to for the next breakpoint with the helm craft after the one I'll get, EC has such a weird aoe scaling, it's not even close to being linear (I think it was 37, 52 and 64)

I can't change the glorious vanity, it gives me 8% life and 3% aura effect, it's by far the best glorious vanity for that socket

I forgot to consider the +2 gems for enlighten scaling, so moving that around won't work well unless your mana cost for everything is 0, as that shuffle will leave you with 1 unreserved mana.